Complaints against Baroness Nicholson being organised

You have just outed yourself with your choice of words. Well done 😂

Thankfully the baroness has some powerful crossparty friends. Even if the tras knock her back there are others who will step up.

As we say in Scotland “ oh do you bloody think so?”
No, they don’t go together, the T should never have been lumped together with the LGB.

Cross posted with a few posts there

It by you shouldn't get to start saying you think that means I want to start censoring you, I don't.
I do think there's a line though between free speech and hateful speech.
Should we just let the latter roam in the name of free speech?
Not just in trans issues.

It's from a mumsnet classic which indicates the level of discourse has degenerated to the level of 'no, you are'.

Plenty of women out there want surgery for cosmetic reasons, they should be stopped too then as not needed?!

Stop handing breast reductions or enlargements like smarties

Well they're talking about the NHS. So no, the NHS shouldn't pay for breast enlargements just because plenty of women out there want one.

🤣 No you're the carcass
😕😫 sorry but just what are you actually going on about?; 😁

So nowt to actually say then whilst chopping off half the comment.
Ok.

You shouldn't get to start saying...

Just leaving this here with no comment.

Bloody phone
Plenty of women out there want surgery for cosmetic reasons, they should be stopped too then as not needed?!
Stop handing breast reductions or enlargements like smarties?

Turning men's penises inside out and sticking it inside them, for cosmetic reasons, should not ever be part of any NHS brief.

Of course it shouldn't. Good grief, what were they thinking??

This ideology creates lifelong medical patients like smarties

This is just such a fucked up way of thinking.

Where even to start?!
You shouldn't get to start saying what is eligible for surgery or not
Plenty of women

🤣 "No, you're the carcass".

If you are sending in complaints we will send in one of support. And there are many more of us.
You know that how? Send them in by all means, no'ones stopping you.

Stonewall weren't in favour of gay marriage ffs. Attacking someone over 20 year old posts just shows how desperate the TRAs are. Well two can play at that game. If you are sending in complaints we will send in one of support. And there are many more of us. The game is up.

And of course TRAs are gunning for the baroness. They gun for everyone. But she's outspoken, powerful, highly respected and she totally gets it.
Again with your "everyone who disagrees must be a TRA!" rhetoric.
There's lots of people who are disagreeing with who aren't TRAs.

Turning men's penises inside out and sticking it inside them, for cosmetic reasons, should not ever be part of any NHS brief.

Of course it shouldn't. Good grief, what were they thinking??

This ideology creates lifelong medical patients like smarties. Understandable in the US where that's the point, but the NHS wasn't designed for anything like it.

And of course TRAs are gunning for the baroness. They gun for everyone. But she's outspoken, powerful, highly respected and she totally gets it.

And it'll only serve to strengthen her argument, of course.

No debate is over.

I'm as GC as they come and usually a big fan of the Baroness and her awesome way with words. She gets right to the heart of the matter with humour and beautiful precise language.

I think this is a rare misstep. As a nurse, if someone needs wound care post surgery I would do it, wherever their wound was. Happily, kindly, professionally and as gently as I could.

I still don't believe humans can change sex.

It's also disingenuous to suggest people undergoing such surgery are jumping any kind of queue. Last time I looked gender reconstruction surgeons weren't performing many hip replacements.

"Maturity" isn't really the issue. People often change their minds over time for reasons that have nothing to do with maturity.

But it is worth remembering that the Baroness took and takes a lot of her views from the position of being a children's rights advocate. And even today there is not unity in the lgb community on the ethics gamete donation in relations to questions of children's rights, just as is the case in the wider community. Nor is there total unity even on the question of same-sex marriage and what the social/legal purpose of marriage is, and that was even more the case in the past, which is why Stonewall did not pursue it for a long time.

I always remember 10 years ago when Dolce and Gabbana said in an interview they didn't believe gay men having children through surrogacy was ethical, and many people were unable to comprehend how they could possibly believe that without being self-hating homophobes. But that really just reflects a very flat understanding of the question.

This is ironically and sadly, the very kind of mob mentality which has silenced minority voices for years, and which has meant that gay people had to fight to even be heard
But.... you're fighting for the right of speech of those who don't agree with LGB or LGBT rights too! (Separating as she has shown homophobic views, away from transphobic ones as well)

I don’t know what the twitter row was exactly. And I don’t know what Baroness Nicholson’s past views were
The posts have been posted here on the thread though if you're really wanting to know and form an opinion.

If TRAs and MRAs want to shovel their shit at women - we're perfectly prepared to shovel your shit right back at you.

We are women. Adult Human Females.

@Tramane
From your reply, I take it that you are an active campaigner for male access to single-sex spaces for women and girls. Such honesty is rare.

It's what TRAs and MRAs are campainging for. Male access to what should be single-sex spaces for women and girls.

I don’t know what the twitter row was exactly. And I don’t know what Baroness Nicholson’s past views were.

However the bullying and ferocious pitchfork twitter mob are a real problem for us as a civilised society. It is hateful and hounding, with one aim - to silence and suppress.

This is ironically and sadly, the very kind of mob mentality which has silenced minority voices for years, and which has meant that gay people had to fight to even be heard. The ferocious silencing and cancelling culture is abhorrent.

Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?

No one whether they are male or female has the right to shower with teenage girls, what a weird question.