Woman told by PSCO that her thinking is wrong and she needs to educate herself.

Yes it's the youtube link up thread

Is there a link to the one long recording?

I recommend you all to actually listen to the incident. When I read the transcrpt I was shocked, when I heard the recording I was appalled. It's one of the occasions when the emotions on display on both sides add so much.

This is one of the most horrific things I have come across in a long time.

‘A single distinct event or occurrence which disturbs an individual, group or community’s quality of life or causes them concern.’

This definition applies to the actions of the PCSO. Let’s report her?

I have no doubt the police are recording things that are very minor. That needs to be dealt with. People are still not breaking the law and the police can’t force them not to display legal content on their own property.

I hope this goes to court. Clear interference with her legal rights.

How does that not apply to pride? Many, many people see pride as undermining homosexuality, because they include transgenderism.

How does that not include rainbows sp splattered all over the police force?

Many lesbians, who stonewall refer to as sexual racists, could in a matter of seconds, explain quite eloquently wholly convincingly, why they find rainbows, stonewall and pride highly offensive and gives them grave cause for concern.

God I hope that PCSO is sent for re-education. the absolute cheek of her!

I take it this is Wiltshire Police? Have Faircop made a statement?

Part of me is hoping that it's a hoax because of how awful it is. I thought the copper turning up at Harry's work to 'check his thinking' was sinister, but this is something else, the police are getting more extreme.

They've deliberately targeted this woman to discriminate against her. Turned up to her house, her safe space, to intimidate, to proselytise, spout ideological nonsense, called the woman uneducated, compared her to a racist, dismissed her when she said she'd been raped to tell her how men have it so much worse with a hint of 'reframe your trauma', with some homophobia sprinkled in too (''why would lesbians exclude transwomen''). Made the woman cry, and then when she says she's not going to be educated (indoctrinated) in to believing men can be women, the police start the gaslighting by saying 'nobody is being told anything' as if she hasn't just spent the last 20 minutes doing just that, stating nonsense as fact.

If anyone can disabuse me of this, please do step in and do so!

From what I can read, the updated guidance is just as vague and open to (mis) interpretation as it was previously.

Definition of a non-crime hate incident:

'A single distinct event or occurrence which disturbs an individual, group or community’s quality of life or causes them concern.

There is no bar. I've posted the relevant legislation upthread.

The 'bar' is the perception of the person reporting. And yes, it will be recorded and it will show up on a DBS check.

‘The definition rests entirely on the perception of the person reporting.’

There has been progress on this after the College of Police went to court, I think. They now have to show an objective likelihood that people would find it ‘hateful’, although I can’t remember the details.

Yes, it's bollocks. Unfortunately, it's also law.

‘As I've said above, if one person finds something offensive, that is enough for an 'incident' to be recorded as a Non Crime Hate Incident.’

Non-Crime. Not a crime. They can record it if they want (although this is subject to legal challenge and I believe the bar needs to higher than this). They can’t stop her doing or saying it, whatever they think of it. It’s not illegal.

Read the links I posted upthread.

The criteria for whether something is considered serious enough to be recorded as a NonCrime Hate Incident is whether it offends someone. The definition rests entirely on the perception of the person reporting.

(IANAL, I could be wrong, I'd be bloody delighted if someone would correct me if so. It's chilling, it's wrong, and it is Thoughtcrime enshrined in law.)

The Hate Crime Bill in Scotland is probably going to be even worse.

If a police man or woman wishes to attend Pride they should absolutely do so - in their own time and not in uniform, those there to police the parade should be in uniform with no embellishments, they are there to work.

@Aberration

Likely to cause alarm or distress isn’t offence. This sticker is very unlikely to cause alarm or distress to any reasonable person. Offence is not a crime. It is taken, not given, for a start.

More seriously, this indoctrination and politicisation of the Police HAS to be reversed - no wearing of ANY badges or lanyards apart from the neutral Force Badge

I mean, some might hold the view that participating in the Pride shenanigans is technically a bit off in terms of neutrality, but does no real harm.

But I don't think that's tenable when you see stuff like this happening. It's clear that the Police do not have sufficient internal discipline and training to stop attitudes picked up during the Pride stuff leading to officers being unable to do their actual job.

This PCSO is apparently under the impression that the organisation would approve of what she's doing. The Pride stuff must have contributed to that.

Interesting that the PCSO says that one problem with the sticker is that 'people in the real world might see it and begin to think along the same lines‘

wow, I didn’t catch that. The PSCO clearly isn’t much of a thinker but how can you hear yourself say things like that and not stop to give your head a wobble? ‘You can’t be allowed free speech because it might persuade other people.’

BTW, a non crime hate incident is bollox IMHO. If it’s a crime , in other words illegal, then investigate. If it's not criminal, leave it alone. To believe that stating a biological truth is a hate crime is ridiculous. To distress a woman who is vulnerable is nothing short of evil, bullying behaviour and unacceptable.

At around 50 seconds in the clip up thread

PCSO: I think that is quite damaging, because what you are doing is trying to give other people the idea of what YOU believe, which, I think you need to do a lot more reading on. personally. And now because someone has spoken to you about it, you're going to keep it there because you feel that that's your right to do so

Seems concerned that 'people in the real world' might see the sticker and it might make them change their belief in TWAW (which, according to the PCSO is not a belief, but a FACT).

And, it occurs to me that at no time did the woman or her daughters resort to bad language or aggression, despite the extreme provocation.

I'm not sure I would have had such self-control.

I picked up on this, very telling indeed.

I can't get past the fact that there had already been a police visit in response to a complaint about the sticker and the police had decided there was no issue.

This PCSO then turned up on the pretext of enquiring about local drug crime before launching into her bullying diatribe.

She only backed off when the feisty daughters stood up for their mum.

Who has 'educated' her? This is actually a far more important question than one daft PCSO going off-script.

Attended the PC Gul School of Risible Nonsense no doubt.

More seriously, this indoctrination and politicisation of the Police HAS to be reversed - no wearing of ANY badges or lanyards apart from the neutral Force Badge their uniforms should revert to as they were - totally politically neutral, their cars should return to what they were - cars in standard, recognisable Police colours - no stickers, no flags, no showing allegiance to one community or another, the Police are there to serve EVERYBODY EQUALLY ALL THE TIME.