Woman told by PSCO that her thinking is wrong and she needs to educate herself.

Yeah that is some coercive bullshit.

Afraid I would have totally lost it at that point, demanding to know how a bloke magically transforms into a women just by saying so.

I think she did ask the PCSO this, and she sniffly said it wasn't up to her to educate and there was plenty of information online.

Afraid I would have totally lost it at that point, demanding to know how a bloke magically transforms into a women just by saying so. Plates may be broken. Fuck wits may be called fuckwits.

Anyone who believes the ‘wrong body’ nonsense is possibly too gullible to work in law enforcement.

BELLA DOE: You’re told you’re transphobic if you don’t… If you’re a lesbian and you don’t include trans women.

PCSO: Why would you not include trans women?

BD: Um. Because they’re men.

PCSO: No they’re not.

So now the police are paid to dictate who lesbians have to shag?

Funny how the diversity wallahs have an incredibly narrow range of acceptable beliefs.

I couldn’t even get through the first recording! That PCSO woman sounds so sinister! You can almost hear her eyes narrowing as she’s speaking down to this poor woman, who is completely blind sided and flustered, I found it really upsetting.

The fact that she spent so long lecturing her also suggests that it was blatantly obvious she came round just to put the boot in to, the drugs thing was utter bull.

I hope so. Someone has clearly demonstrated that they have not the brains, intuition, compassion nor common sense to by working in a ‘community’ role OR in a position with any more power than a local dog catcher.

I get the feeling someone is going to be appearing in the Chief Inpectors office at 9am tomorrow morning. This kind of behaviour does nothing for the credibility of Her Majesty's Constabulary

I’m enraged for her! I’d love to know which police area the PCSO is based in. Once we find out, I hope everyone contacts the Chief Superintendant of that force to complain.

I am so angry about this. I hope Fair Cop is all over it.

Power to those two girls. They are bold and strong and brilliant

absolutely

That poor woman, being bullied on her own doorstep.

Unacceptable behaviour by the PCSO. I can see why that person was selected to be a PSCO by the Police Force, that particular kind of voice is very authoritarian and brooks no dissent, the PCSO talks over the woman easily, it comes easily, second nature. Very upsetting to be the recipient. Big ups to the daughters, btw.

And yes, thank you for the transcripts. It's always a bit hard to believe what you're hearing when it's just a recording. Written down, you can go more slowly and appreciate that yes, this is actually what was said.

PCSO: It’s what your mum is saying.

fuck me. How dare they. The kids did amazingly, I’m especially liking “don’t look at it then.” But that PCSO!!!!!

@ScreamingMeMe Oops - was busy cutting and pasting to post mine and only just saw yours. We had the same thought!

Power to those two girls. They are bold and strong and brilliant.

And shame on that PCSO. Bullying a woman in her own home. I want her to hear herself on that recording.

Bloody hell I'm so glad she recorded it I'm genuinely shocked by that & my expectations were already low.

The Inquisition identified a heretic & couldn't answer a single rational question just kept stating tenets of faith.

Thank you for transcribing, I struggle with audio. What brave children she has for speaking up.

Any idea of which police force it is yet?

Part Four:

PCSO: If you had something on there that was racist you would understand why I was coming to say you shouldn’t have that on your door, wouldn’t you?

BD: Completely different.

PCSO: How is it different?

BD: Completely different.

PCSO: How is it different?

BD: Because people are born black, like people are born their sex, male and female.

PCSO: No, that’s, that’s not, again, you’re missing the point. All I can urge you to do is just, just read...

BD: I have, I have, I am

PCSO: Just, just, educate yourself

BD: Oh, no. Sorry, I’m not educating myself, being educated

PCSO: Go ahead

BD: On being a man, being told he’s a woman. A man is not a woman, he never will be. He’s a man.

PCSO: Hang on a sec.

BD: No, I’m not.

PCSO: So, nobody’s being told anything. This is what I’m saying. That’s where there’s a big, big gap in understanding, there’s a huge gap in understanding.

Part Three:

PCSO: Yeah, so being gay’s not a choice, being trans is not a choice. It’s not a choice. It’s not something that you just wake up one day [snapping fingers noise] and decide to be. It’s not a choice. It causes distress. It causes suicide. It causes people, er, terrible mental health crises, and mental ill health for many many years until they, until they find the courage to be the person that they actually are. And it’s not that they want to be. It’s not that they wish to be. It’s that they’re actually trans.

Does that make sense?

[pause]

Does that make sense?

BD: No

PCSO: Doesn’t make sense. OK.

Child in background: Yeah, a sticker can’t offend anyone.
Another in background: Don’t be upset, it’s a sticker mum, it’s a sticker.

BD: [upset] But why, why? I’m offending transwomen who are women...

Other/BD?: So if I had a sticker about something else, opposing something else, and someone else was to complain about it, why should I remove that sticker?

PCSO: Because it’s offensive.

Other/BD?: How’s it offensive?

Child: Well they shouldn’t look at it then.

BD: If I was to put ‘lesbians don’t have a penis, penises’ am I offending, who am I offending?

PCSO: You’re again, you’re going away from the point.

Other: Why is it offensive?

Child: They shouldn’t look at it

PCSO: Because, it’s, it’s stating that trans pe, transwomen are an idea, not a th, that they don’t exist. Which is what you’re, you’re, is it your mum?

Child: Yeah, it is my mum.

PCSO: It’s what your mum is saying.

Part Two:

BD: But I’m talking about sex…those who’ve had erm…

[pause]

PCSO: It’s difficult, if you’ve had an experience that has coloured your judge, your, your idea of what’s gone on, what’s going on in life. However, that sort of thing is just preying on your fears. It’s making you scared of something you shouldn’t be scared of.

BD: I wasn’t scared, I wasn’t scared until I was told that it might cause offence. Now I feel [crying]

PCSO: No but you’re, no I’m not on about that I’m on about the fact that you’re, you’re living in fear of transwomen.

BD: I’m not, I’m not. I’m not in fear, I’m not in fear. I just want to be able.
I want to be able [pauses] oh…

PCSO: What, what do you want to be able to do?

BD: I want to be able to go to a support group to talk about my, my stuff that’s happened to me from men without having them there, and then you’re telling me

PCSO: Ah, right, yeah. So this is what I’m saying about you, you’ve got in your head that a transwoman is not a woman.

BD: But they’re not. How are they a woman, tell me please, tell me how are they a woman?

PCSO: [Sighs] OK, that’s not my job to educate you. But you need to educate yourself.
There’s plenty, if you go on the internet there’s tons of support groups that will help you with this.

BD: But you’re telling me I have to change, I have to change my beliefs

PCSO: But it’s not a belief, it’s not beliefs, it’s facts. It’s not a belief system, it’s not like ‘do you believe in God’, you know, something you can’t see. It’s not, that’s not, that’s not what this is, you, again, you’ve got to, you’ve got to try and

BD: You can’t change sex. It’s physically impossible to change sex.

PCSO: It’s not change. OK. It’s how you’re born. It’s how you’re born. Now if a person is born with the wrong body and spends a good portion of their life in the wrong body and suffers terribly from all sorts of disorders because they have been born into the wrong body, to allow them to transition into the right body to enable them to feel, be the person that they are isn’t something that doesn’t exist. It isn’t a choice.

Just the same as being gay isn’t a choice. You do understand that being gay is not a choice, don’t you?

BD: That’s what I’m saying about lesbians, about...

It’s not like “do you believe in God?” You know, something you can’t see

Jesus Christ this is frustrating to be subjected to even third hand. I can’t imagine what Bella was feeling.

Is there any chance that absolute Umbridge of a PSCO will have to defend these statements in court, because I swear I will throw money at it to make it happen.

PCSO: Which is what your… is it your mum?
D1: Yeah.
D2: Our mum.
PCSO: It’s what your mum’s saying.
D1: Can’t believe all this about a sticker.
D2: They shouldn’t look at it then.

D1: Well…

PCSO: If you read something on there that was racist, you would understand why I was coming to say you shouldn’t have that on your door, wouldn’t you?
BD: But it’s different. It’s different.
PCSO: How is it different?
BD: Completely different.

PCSO: How is it different?
BD: Because people are born black. Like, people are born their sex, male and female.

PCSO: No, that’s not… Again, you’re missing the point. All I can urge you to do is just to… just read… just educate yourself.

BD: I have. I have. I have. I have.

D1: Educate?
BD: Oh no. Sorry, I’m not… I’m not educated… I’m not being educated on being a man being taught that he’s a woman. A man is not a woman, he never will be. He’s a man.

PCSO: Hang on a sec.
BD: No, I’m not.
PCSO: So, nobody’s being told anything. This is what I’m saying… That’s where there’s a big big gap in understanding here. There’s a huge gap in understanding.