Woman told by PSCO that her thinking is wrong and she needs to educate herself.

I really hope that, with the help of Fair Cop, the op can bring herself to take action about the egregious bullying she has just suffered at the hands of this dangerously self righteous idiot with a plastic badge. If it comes to that I would consider it an honour to stick some money into a crowdfunder for it, and I'm absolutely sure I wouldn't be the only one...

The absolute nastiness of continuing to sanctimoniously lecture a sobbing woman - it's a classic 'be kind' brigade behavior.

The PCSO is behaving in a clearly illegal way, on tape. I hope they throw a book at her and send the rest of them on 're-education' in actual, not Stonewall, law, seeing that they are supposed to protect it.

This is so sinister. I'm normally uncomfortable about calling for people to be sacked but using your status as a PCSO to intimidate someone over their legitimate political views is such an abuse of power that she has to go. She sounded brainwashed and completely stupid.

The standard of police recruitment is absolutely shocking. And why are they spending hours on this shit but not even turning up to burglaries? Stupid and useless.

Sorry it happened to you

Are you aware of a pending court case for a similar situation? I believe there's a thread on this board, with IamSarah as op.

Her sticker might have come down, but I'll be ordering some to put up & I doubt I will be the only woman.

Bellas daughters are a credit to her & sound like fabulous young women.

That PCSO should be sacked.
They deliberately & maliciously harrassed that woman to the point of tears by abusing their position & if the police force she works with keep her on, I'll be asking my MP who women can trust?

The police who rape & murder women?
The police who stage dead bodies for fun & photos?
The police who arrest women for photos of ribbons?
The police who arrest women for putting a sticker on a lampost?
The PCSOs who abuse vulnerable rape victims for owning a sticker?
The police who don't even solve crimes any more, but have time to dance at Pride parades?

Since when have stickers been a priority with this govt who REFUSED to pay attention to the request for a register of family annihilators & other men who attempt to kill/seriously harm women to go with the one for sex offenders, but instead are insisting on setting one up for home educators?

This country is sick.
Deeply corrupt & perverse.

Listening to that was extremely distressing and reminded me of when I had to self exclude from my local rape crisis centre because there was a man there.
I felt terrified, confused and betrayed. Why didn't they disclose this to me before I attended?

When I challenged them, they said they couldn't discriminate anymore because they would lose government funding. I said I had the right to know they had changed their policy before agreeing to counselling with them.

I complained to no avail. I never went back and it worsened my trauma. To me, it made my world get smaller and less safe to be in.

That was 6 years ago now. I really feel for this lady. The gaslighting and betrayals are like a knife in the soul.

Why are the police/PCSOs being sent round to "check people's thinking," when they can't be arsed to turn up for domestic burglaries etc? And the rape of women by men is so rarely properly investigated and prosecuted, that rape is de facto legitimised? But a woman with a sticker on her house door necessitates multiple visits by the police?

Stasi. Thought police. Actual crimes are disregarded. Women committing thought crimes are treated as the "true menace" in society.

No I’m not in trouble nor do I have to remove it they just wanted to give advice as concerned about my safety as some may find it offensive

So the police are aware that women who disagree with the gender religion might be attacked by aggressive activists?

Especially scary as this PCSO knows Bella's address and has already displayed abusive behaviour.

I carry a 'definition of woman' tote bag.
I don't carry it to get 'a reaction from people', I carry it to remind myself of what's important to me and what is my truth, which is all to easily subsumed by TRA.

Do you think she'd have PCSO in for re-education if her sticker said TWAW? Why not?

Thanks for posting the youtube, Abandom. I'll definitely have a listen.

I’ve not listened to the recordings and it sounds as though the officer was very rude and inappropriate but I have no sympathy for the women.

She put this sticker on her window to get a reaction from people.
Same as those who put ‘white lives matter too’ stickers up.

Yes they’ll argue that it’s nothing actually offensive but we all know it’s intended to be so.

That PCSO needs to be sued for harassment and victimization due to protected belief, which hopefully Harry and co will ensure.

I've genuinely never thought I would hear this kind of conversation in UK. As an immigrant from a far less democratic society it's very deja vu and unwelcome, to put it mildly

That PCSO needs sacking. An Aunt Lydia. Policing women's behaviour, and bullying a woman. No PCSO should do that, for a mildly-expressed sticker on someone's own door. For goodness' sakes!

That PCSO's level of education and information is atrocious. She's been stonewalled through and through. She hasn't got a fucking clue about women. Or treating people with respect and accepting different opinions. She's just shit at being a PCSO, a little hitler.

She needs sacking, she's no use - in fact is a danger - in the community.

Oh so that's what PCSOs do! I've never actually seen one doing any work. Silly me, I thought they were supposed to walk around and look after people. After all they do earn more than Police Officers initially. But no, they are propaganda officers for Stonewall, pedalling lies and bullying women in their homes. That PCSO needs to be sacked immediately. Really, what is the point of PCSOs? I thought they mostly just had affairs with middle aged police men, 3 PCSOs were having an affair with the same Police Officer locally, no-one surprised. Its what they do. No wonder they don't work past 10pm, with all the affairs and bullying women they must be exhausted. Really hope that PCSO is re-educated about her job description. It's frightening to hear a trans-ally woman in real life after only reading their desperate attempts to be cool on twitter before.

It's on youtube and edited into one continuous piece

Is there a gardening plot for this? What is the force, I’ll happily write to them

She's so upset she's ripped the sticker off now. This is so wrong.

That bully PCSO needs sacking. I don't usually support people losing their jobs, but the PCSO is abusing her power. She really seemed to be getting off on it too, she was so patronising to the woman with the sticker.

I've not listened but read the transcripts. This is soooo bad, I think the pcso will be in real trouble. It's illegal. It simply must be. It wouldn't matter what the subject matter is, it's such an inappropriate misuse of power.

But the transcript illustrates the problem we have with this issue. She thinks her beliefs are facts about the world. But these particular 'facts' are given such strange importance that saying the opposite results in this extreme response. She is not treating these 'facts' like other normal facts. So on some level she doesn't believe it, or she would be more relaxed about someone who doesn't agree that her facts are true.

I want to know which police service, and why this support officer thinks she can act like this and impose these beliefs on the public. What training told her this? I want FOI's and subject access requests, and everything put in the public domain.

I hope this woman gets good legal support and I hope she gets whatever resolution she desires.

Are they told the 'educate yourself' line as a response to the unanswerable questions, do you think?

I imagine so. It's certainly especially popular with TRA allies, who clearly have no idea what they mean.

Thanks for the transcripts, ScreamingMeMe and pombear. Not everyone is on or has access to twitter.

dropthevipers

This bit in the transcript a pp kindly provided. Comment both stupid and offensive:

PCSO: Ah, right, yeah. So this is what I’m saying about you, you’ve got in your head that a transwoman is not a woman.

BD: But they’re not. How are they a woman, tell me please, tell me how are they a woman?

PCSO: [Sighs] OK, that’s not my job to educate you. But you need to educate yourself.

There’s plenty, if you go on the internet there’s tons of support groups that will help you with this.

It's a shame, really, she seems so absolutely sure of herself and her FACTS up until she is actually asked a question.

Are they told the 'educate yourself' line as a response to the unanswerable questions, do you think?

I really want to know which area this is.

So, as ever, there is no answer to this fundamental question beyond "look, a squirrel!" there never is because there isn't one.