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Woman told by PSCO that her thinking is wrong and she needs to educate herself.

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Signalbox · 14/08/2022 20:12

Woman is visited by a PSCO and told to remove an "offensive" sticker, told that her thinking is wrong and that she needs to educate herself. Also that TWAW is a fact.

FFS what the fuck is going on...

twitter.com/IXthoth/status/1558864403746922496

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Faffertea · 27/08/2022 22:26

Bella Doe you are an absolute heroine for what you have done. If you want to take it further we’re behind you but as others have said if not you’ve already done more than your part. And your kids are awesome.

Solidarity sister 💐

RoobarbandCustud · 27/08/2022 15:00

@GCAcademic The Stasi.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/08/2022 10:10

FFS what is it about the Lib Dems?

LunaLights · 18/08/2022 08:07

It feels like there is so much outrage from women/GC women, but that it will all settle and then continue - much like the outrage then return to business as usual by the trans-identified head of rape crisis centre, etc. It is very disheartening.

LuftBalloons · 17/08/2022 12:09

Datun · 17/08/2022 10:07

I'm glad she watched Kellie-Jay's video too. Kellie, was incandescent. And in the mood to muster an army.

Kellie-Jay was magnificent!

While I'm not always in agreement with some of her actions/views, she is always centring women. She has an unwavering drive, and this was a real call to arms! Cathartic and very much needed in the light of the police bullying & harassment of "Bella Doe" and other women.

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 17/08/2022 11:43

I third it. Take care of yourself, Bella, fist bump to your awesome daughters.

Signalbox · 17/08/2022 11:38

ickky · 17/08/2022 11:34

Bella if you are reading this, please know that you don't have to do anything, take your time and ignore it all if that is what is best for you.

Please also know us Mumsnetters were and are incandescent with rage at the way you were treated. We are all with you.

You were magnificent holding your ground.

Hope you feel better soon.

I second this 💐

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ickky · 17/08/2022 11:34

Bella if you are reading this, please know that you don't have to do anything, take your time and ignore it all if that is what is best for you.

Please also know us Mumsnetters were and are incandescent with rage at the way you were treated. We are all with you.

You were magnificent holding your ground.

Hope you feel better soon.

Tallisker · 17/08/2022 10:58

It was amazing how Bella didn't protest or interrupt, she gave the PCSO time to completely lay bare her indoctrination. In spite of being in tears, Bella didn't try and stop her, and stopped talking all the times the PCSO talked over her. Nice one!

Wish you hadn't had to have gone through it though.

Datun · 17/08/2022 10:07

I'm glad she watched Kellie-Jay's video too. Kellie, was incandescent. And in the mood to muster an army.

Helleofabore · 17/08/2022 09:12

Daughter told me about it being discussed on other sites but I only brave enough to look at and still occasional browse is MN. ❤ to all you wonderful anonymous mumsnetters and I mean mumsnetters not u fckr trolls in disguise.

twitter.com/IXthoth/status/1559614979208364034?s=20&t=jLlsvsDT24lKxL6_nXokBg

Bella Doe, I admired how you were able to still articulate what you wanted to say. No one should have had to go through having any representative from the police force treat you in this manner.

And yes, your daughter is fucking awesome too!!

Flowers
Datun · 16/08/2022 23:18

MalcolmTuckersBollockingface · 16/08/2022 12:39

I noticed that too and completely agree. This PSCO is not just parroting the Stonewall line, they have an unshakable belief that they are correct in their conviction.

Yes it was interesting, even though she appeared to have hardly any information at her fingertips, she was convinced she was in the right enough to bully a fragile rape survivor in her own home.

I can't help thinking that a lot of people have suddenly found the secret weapon they've been fantasising about for years. Something to brow beat women with, and get pats on the back for.

ScreamingMeMe · 16/08/2022 20:34

Ah. Makes sense.

Sonnex · 16/08/2022 20:29

Prue is part of the All Girls Pretending club.

Queenoftheashes · 16/08/2022 20:29

Wokingham has a lot of moronic dickheads

NyanBinaryJohn · 16/08/2022 19:04

Prue Bray clearly is a clueless idiot.

The more I hear and read of this the more angry I get. Aggressively so. I know violence doesn't solve things but I'm finding it really hard to not want to punch that PCSO in the face for blatantly ignoring the fact that the woman in front of her is horribly distressed and flustered, and using it to bully her.

ScreamingMeMe · 16/08/2022 17:37

A Lib Dem Councillor from Wokingham (yes, really) chimes in.

(I don't think it's Bella's local Councillor.)

Woman told by PSCO that her thinking is wrong and she needs to educate herself.
Woman told by PSCO that her thinking is wrong and she needs to educate herself.
Treaclemine · 16/08/2022 15:57

Well, thank you Nitronine. I have been lurking here rapt in admiration for the brains engaged in this issue, so I appreciated that comment.
Any new wave refuges etc would have to be set up with unbreakable legal protection, like the private men's clubs, Garrick etc, to avoid PCSOs rolling up at the door claiming it wasn't appropriate to be single sex.
And with regard to that PCSO, someone has mentioned the JWs, and her certainty that what she "knows" (not believes) is right is like theirs. She hasn't just been on a couple of courses. The JWs maintain what they "know" with multiple meetings each week, they swim in a sea of it, they don't have a chance to know anything different. If someone tries to persuade them that their reasons for rejecting all other churches do nt apply to the Quakers, for example, they will fall back on the Watchtower organisation having done their research, and the Quakers are definitely wrong. (Meeting House next the KIngdom Hall - interesting. They are forbidden to take other people's leaflets.)
No debate obviously leads the same way.
That PCSO seems to have been indoctrinated to that sort of level - that needs investigating.
My houseshare, whose reaction to the nearly daily exposure to horror stories from here is admirable, is of the opinion that what is behind all this is someone's psychological warfare department. And/or PIE. He recalls the denial of debate technique used against him in the past, in a not entirely unconnected context, decades ago.
And the first thing the instigators have to do, of course, is to turn the idea of conspiracy into something laughable.

TopKnotch · 16/08/2022 15:04

It's the weirdly calm, "kind" voice as the PCSO explains "the facts" that's so weird. "Do you see? Do you understand now?" CREEPY

Signalbox · 16/08/2022 15:00

dropthevipers · 16/08/2022 14:12

If you take out those jumping on a fashionable bandwagon (and given the way the tide is turning being trans, non binary or cat gender will soon be as hip as peppering your speech with "daddio") then the numbers are as vanishingly small as they ever were.

That's true. But the non-binaries and the [insert-random-word-here]-genders are 100% convinced of their validity and additionally appear to be the most sanctimonious of all the genders, so we still need to learn how to manage them until the fashion has moved on. Although God knows what genderism could morph into next.

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TheBestBitch · 16/08/2022 14:51

This is so shocking. Who ultimately polices the police, is it the home office?

What are they even FOR these days? Apparently not investigating rape cases or responding to burglaries or most crimes.

They need to spend less time dancing at Pride and haranguing women for holding GC beliefs and more time actually policing.

newrubylane · 16/08/2022 14:39

PrimAndProperViperish · 15/08/2022 10:07

www.college.police.uk/app/major-investigation-and-public-protection/hate-crime/responding-non-crime-hate-incidents/changes

Definition of a non-crime hate incident:

'A single distinct event or occurrence which disturbs an individual, group or community’s quality of life or causes them concern.

National standard for incident recording (NSIR)'

Under this definition I'd say the PCSO's behaviour could feasibly be reported as a non-crime hate incident.

dropthevipers · 16/08/2022 14:12

Signalbox · 16/08/2022 12:51

Perhaps she has a family member / close friend who is trans. Along with the indoctrination, that would account for the emotion. Being trans isn't really rare any more is it? Almost everyone I know with teens either has a "trans" child or has a child who is at a school where there are several "trans" young people in their class.

If you take out those jumping on a fashionable bandwagon (and given the way the tide is turning being trans, non binary or cat gender will soon be as hip as peppering your speech with "daddio") then the numbers are as vanishingly small as they ever were.

Somanysocks · 16/08/2022 13:52

Makes me feel like doing some stickering in solidarity.

I would relish a knock on the door from this pcso.

CriticalCondition · 16/08/2022 13:04

I was incredibly impressed by how 'Bella' stood her ground and was able to articulate her views even though she was clearly very distressed. In her position I think I would have just told the PSCO to leave. And, ironically, I think in my position I would have given a PCSO hectoring me in my own home such short shrift that she wouldn't have been able to get through a fraction of her lecture. And so it would not have been exposed.

Bella is a very strong woman.
I think we owe her a lot.

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