Drag Queen Robert Clothier convicted (TW)

Thank you for explaining. I had thought you had meant deleting as in removing which there seemed to be rather a lot of last weekend.

On "old" MN, I could just copy and paste an interesting part from a newspaper article as part of my post, press the enter key for a paragraph break, and continue typing. Then click Post when I was ready. And then my submitted post would appear in thread, perfectly legible

On "new and improved" mumsnet, if you copy and paste from another site, and do all the above, the paragraph breaks look like they're there in the message window, but they don't appear in the post after you've submitted it.

So every single fucking time I include something from my clipboard, I have to copy my finished post from MN's message window at the end, refresh the page, and paste it back in to MN, and check preview to see if the paragraph breaks will show.

If they don't show, then I paste the post in a draft email and then C&P from there until the paragraph breaks show in preview.

And sometimes I forget to do all this.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · Today 17:38
FFs, I forgot I had to do the workaround to make sure MN didn't delete paragraph breaks.
If it’s not too much bother to explain, what do you mean by that?

FFs, I forgot I had to do the workaround to make sure MN didn't delete paragraph breaks.

It would be a relief that the children involved are too young to google, except that in two of the pictures I've seen of him with a funny looking bustle, the backs of children's heads are visible. If the bustle is visible in an image on facebook, it will have been visible to people present. Especially children. As his latest social media posting reminds us, young children are short, and their eyeline is at the height of someone's... bustle.

Where google and older children are concerned, we often run into a peculiar doublethink on these threads.We are told that drag performances in schools and libraries are massively important to children and that the visit of a drag queen constitutes a beneficial formative experience. In fact, here's bloke 1, talking about that to Wales Online:

"By doing what I do, I am saving lives. It's weird to say that because there are many people out there saving lives in a more direct way. But there are kids I have come across who would have died by suicide if I hadn't shown them that they are good.

Wales Online interviews Aida

But we are also reassured by the same people that the kids don't care that much about these visitors and absolutely definitely won't try to google their names or look for more content by the exciting drag queens on youtube.

If you point this out, then posters segue into "if parents are responsible and put parental controls on devices, that can't happen". At which point, one can only conclude they think schools and public services like libraries should be restricted to only those children who have net-savvy, responsible parents. Sure, let's declare some children acceptable collateral damage!

I think children who don't have parents able to protect them from harm (including psychological harm from age inappropriate materials) are in need of more care from public services, not less. It's utterly repugnant to treat those children as second-class citizens, and sacrifice their wellbeing. But that is what people are doing when they say it's okay for schools to host people whose marketing profiles are of an adult nature, and that it's up to parents to prevent their children seeing the profiles.

It would be a relief that the children involved are too young to google, except that in two of the pictures I've seen of him with a funny looking bustle, the backs of children's heads are visible. If the bustle is visible in an image on facebook, it will have been visible to people present. Especially children. As his latest social media posting reminds us, young children are short, and their eyeline is at the height of someone's... bustle.Where google and older children are concerned, we often run into a peculiar doublethink on these threads.We are told that drag performances in schools and libraries are massively important to children and that the visit of a drag queen constitutes a beneficial formative experience. In fact, here's bloke 1, talking about that to Wales Online. "By doing what I do, I am saving lives. It's weird to say that because there are many people out there saving lives in a more direct way. But there are kids I have come across who would have died by suicide if I hadn't shown them that they are good.Wales Online interviews AidaBut we are also reassured by the same people that the kids don't care that much about these visitors and absolutely definitely won't try to google their names or look for more content by the exciting drag queens on youtube.If you point this out, then posters segue into "if parents are responsible and put parental controls on devices, that can't happen". At which point, one can only conclude they think schools and public services like libraries should be restricted to only those children who have net-savvy, responsible parents. Sure, let's declare some children acceptable collateral damage! I think children who don't have parents able to protect them are in need of more care from public services, not less. It's utterly repugnant to treat those children as second-class citizens, and sacrifice their wellbeing. But that is what people are doing when they say it's okay for schools to host people whose marketing profiles are of an adult nature.

Buzzinwithbez · Today 09:18
Simply and well put, Buzz.

I was at an event that was compered by a drag queen recently. The drag queen made an inappropriate comment to the teens who were setting up on stage and was quickly reminded that he was being live streamed.

I think the op's comment is an important one, that it's a sexualised, risqué performance and doesn't need to be where young people are, or breaking down people's boundaries by mixing the two. If the act is kept to adult clubs, then there's no confusion.

Having seen more than one image with what can only be called an erection in the front, and then now having seen this image is concerning.

So bloke number one is posting pics which could be used in safeguarding training as what not to publish on SM. As @PrimAndProperPearlClutcher ·👍 noted he has a lot of funny looking bustle showing in other pics but it should be fine the children involved are likely too young to google.
The other (monthly bleeding) example demonstrated how a school created a data breach when images of children taken in a school were uploaded on SM along side sexual & other adult content.
The children involved were old enough to google. Which may be why the school did not post a web page link or include the twitter @

While justifying why someone who decides to specialise in adult entertainment should read to children, can anyone explain if the same logic applies to a stripper with big hair and sparkles? Should public libraries be alocating funds to strippers read to children too?

But why has he posted a picture of it on his business page as part of his publicity for the tour?

Because he wants the protesters to know he is the ‘Pied Piper’ and no one can stop him.

Reading the written section below the picture he boasts how the libraries trick the protesters by changing the venue and time, leaving the protesters outside the wrong place.

Yesterday on facebook, he posted a photo of a child hugging him very closely. He says she caught him out with the hug, and he didn't realised she would do it. Due to the difference in height between adults and children, her face has ended up in his groin area.

Right. Children are unpredictable. Maybe he couldn't be expected to manage to steer the hug into a shoulder one.

But why has he posted a picture of it on his business page as part of his publicity for the tour?

I'm here all week, Pots.

I was reading some responses to Aida H Dee’s Twitter saying words to the effect that it’s just lovely for children to see the sequins and the hairdo. That has made me wonder if a woman, who was good at reading to children, were dressed up in sequins, with big hair and make-up would be hired by libraries? I don’t think so ( unless she were actually Dolly Parton, or someone like her.)

He had also posted a fan letter from someone saying how much their children loved him, adding that the children are now saying they are gender fluid, as well as adding that the children are being assessed for ADHD. So in this case the parents think he is wonderful for the very reason someone like me would say his presence and readings are not such a good idea.

Comment of the day.

I needed that laugh.

If that's a dress, it's got a funny looking bustle.

twitter.com/Hypedup0ncoffee/status/1556340807632044032?t=pwQ-dKqYQbNu2QnhTw3WIg&s=19

My apologies, a long rainbow jumpsuit. Swings and roundabouts. It's not inappropriate.

It is entirely and wholly inappropriate. Either you are gifted with selective awareness, or you are taking the piss. You, and none other broached the subject of Aida H. Dee (a joke about ADHD, how totes hilair) and extolled his costume.

If I post images uploaded to Aida's business facebook account by Aida himself, on mumsnet, they get deleted on here. That is how visibly inappropriate they are. If images of Aida in costume, at a children's storytime, are inappropriate for adult women to see, then the event was definitely inappropriate for children. And this is a site where we used to prank each other with image links to TWC. (First two letters stand for Terry Wogan. I'm sure you can work out the C.)

There are nine Protected Characteristics under the Equality Act 2010. Not a single one is "person who keeps charging libraries to visit while wearing an outfit that suggests he has a front tail". Aida has had plenty of time to visit a tailor and get that outfit adjusted and it's not bigotry to note he hasn't.

If Aida is the best "drag for children" has to offer, then you've settled the argument. No publicly funded service should be paying for it!

Paris Is Burning (1990) is on YouTube

I don't know what the knot is?
I grew up with drag. I could say that was a man in a dress without fear or favour.

Today I am truly not sure that my child can say bold as brass just like Ru Paul that that's a man in a dress without being corrected!

You yourself started off by saying I should tell them it was an individual?

I just don't get it...

Pretty much all drag queens have their drag persona (name, make up, clothes, style, hair,accessories) when they are performing.

When they take it all off they revert to their male selves, with their given names. Many post on social media under their drag name so fans can follow them.

They don't believe they are women. They very often are 'her' in character and 'him' when not. Very few would be 'offended' for being referee to as a man (yes, mostly gay) in women's clothing. They are playing a character. You need to stop conflating them with Trans Rights Activists.

Could you give us some non-sexualised examples, please?

How long have you got? There's a few helpfully posted up thread for you.

thisweekstop40 · Today 11:27
“@Ladybrrrd made an excellent, interesting and informed post about the history of drag and the ballroom scene in New York and someone reported it.”

“This place is pathetic.”

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“FlirtsWithRhinos · Today 11:33
Oh come on! @Ladybrrrd 's post was a valid contribution to the topic.”

“@Ladybrrrd I read it and appreciated it. I was waiting till later today to reply properly. I realise how galling it is to lose a long post made in good faith but if you do feel like making the same points again I will be happy to carry on the conversation. I will also watch the documentary you recommended.”

I simply cannot understand why Ladybrrrd’s post was deleted. It seemed balanced, nuanced, well explained, and not offensive. No one had to agree either.

You're tying yourself in knots a bit. I'm going to leave it here.

Then I must take your word for it that if my child calls the actor a man in a costume or a man in a dress, they will not be corrected.

As long as this is not the case, there's something that's different between the reality in front of the children and what we are asking the children to believe.

And if we as adults can't agree what that is, then I can't see how this is suitable for children.

Just calling it an act is not the whole truth. This person is in one of their day wears when the kids think it's just a costume. This is not right.

That's just untrue! Full drag takes hours to put on. It is a costume. Watch drag race. You'll see them all out of costume. They don't wear the get up all the time. Most of them are just standard looking men. Some of them might wear make up, but certainly not to the level they do when performing!