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Sorry Irish women, we’ve been beaming GC ideas into your heads from the UK…

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NitroNine · 14/08/2022 13:29

Ok, I wrote this whole post with the Examiner letting me read articles. They’re now all paywalled. I don’t want to delete it - hopefully it will still serve as a wee update on things in Ireland (I’d thought someone was going to start a thread for that but I couldn’t find it, I’m sorry it I’ve missed it); & if anyone’s an Examiner subscription they can obviously read the articles if they’ve missed them/perhaps share any key points they think are important? Feck knows what was going on with the paywall situation though.

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…or, er, something?

I’m not sure what else the Taoiseach can mean, really, talking about “imported” culture wars in this article from June. He clearly doesn’t think you’re having these ideas all by your [wee] selves. Is he after thinking those of us with dual citizenship have come sneaking in & are stirring things up?

Interesting article though, with the whole “there was absolute transparency & we practically asked every single woman on the island of Ireland if she was ok with it & if they don’t remember now that’s probably their hormones” (I paraphrase) stance.

The Examiner had the option not to include this spectacularly awful quote from Alan Edge (a South Dublin independent councillor, who’s also campaign officer for the Ban Conversion Practices Campaign) in their article on conversion therapy last month, but apparently they thought this was a reasonable & appropriate thing for someone to say & them to print:
[When discussing conversion therapy] He draws an analogy with female genital mutilation "which seems barbaric to many people" and happens within a religious context.
To be clear, obviously conversion therapy is not in any way ok, & it can involve so-called “corrective” rape; but to not only select this particular comparator but also somehow manage to minimise the horror of it AND be racist is appalling. Yes, it’s an issue a white man went for “barbaric” when describing something done by & to black & brown people (I say people as apparently there have been cases of male doctors performing FGM) because that word’s absolutely been used - or rather abused - to denigrate them for centuries. Good to see Ireland following the UK’s lead on “we must stop this dreadful thing that we have no actual data on”. In fairness at least Ireland do seem to be trying to do some research; however, they’re clearly actively trying to hunt out people. And possibly seeking to legislate based on the experiences of people in the UK - sounding as if you actively hope people have undergone conversion therapy in the country that borders yours so you can use their trauma to push for legislative change in your country doesn’t really give the best impression. Would be interesting to know how your one would separate out conversion therapy for [supposed] homosexuality & conversion therapy for being transgender. The data the UK was working from didn’t separate out the two so part of the problem with the proposed legislation (as well as forcing psych professionals into affirmation only care for individuals exploring a trans identity) was it was potentially banning something that had never happened. (I’m not saying I disbelieve any trans person who says they’ve experienced it; I’m talking strictly about the data that was available - the failure to do actual research for the Bill was frankly deplorable; & the result of the government being determined to force through the legislation ahead of the conference they ended up having to cancel because it collapsed after Stonewall withdrew after the u-turns on banning conversion therapy).

It doesn’t seem to have occurred to Saoirse Mackin that Irish women probably aren’t too worried about their risk of encountering a Republican Congressman - or indeed any US politician - in the loo, so it doesn’t matter if they’re statistically more dangerous than trans women are. It’s not “demonising” them to report on crimes committed by them, including assaults in public conveniences. It is not unreasonable of women to want said facilities to be sex-segregated for their safety. The only acceptable number of assaults on women & girls is zero.

The Tánaiste wants IRFU to listen to the players they’ve “banned” 🙄 Holy Mother of God they’ve done nothing BUT listen! It was all the listening that caused this mess! And it’s not they’ve stopped listening, just they’ve stopped doing what those players & the TRAs are wanting.

On the plus side, The Examiner let Alison O’Connor express heretical views (& some good news) 😊

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Farmageddon · 15/08/2022 12:34

Not to mention the who genderwoo ideology is an American import, funded by American billionaires. But hey ho...

Farmageddon · 15/08/2022 12:34

Abhannmor · 15/08/2022 09:44

So that's what it is ! TENI must be right so. Us GC ppl are just Brit Imperialists. I'm even getting radio messages instructing me to join the Orange Lodge. They planted a micro chip in my fillings.

Cease and desist you Black and Tan feminists!

Quite funny that they claim we are unduly influenced by Britain, when many of the senior level people in TENI and BelongTo are American imports.

PrimAndProperViperish · 15/08/2022 10:57

Can confirm broadcasts from Scotland to corrupt and defile the minds of Irish women are continuing.

Abhannmor · 15/08/2022 09:44

So that's what it is ! TENI must be right so. Us GC ppl are just Brit Imperialists. I'm even getting radio messages instructing me to join the Orange Lodge. They planted a micro chip in my fillings.

Cease and desist you Black and Tan feminists!

Farmageddon · 14/08/2022 18:01

I for one welcome our Terf Island overlords 😀I am very bloody grateful for the sunlight that has shone on us from the UK over this issue.

It is only because of the debates and pushback that is happening in the UK media that there is any real awareness or scrutiny at all about the fact that Self ID is already law in Ireland.

If it was left to the Irish media it would be swept under the carpet or ignored. I have never had so little faith in the Irish government or media to be truthful and transparent.

miri1985 · 14/08/2022 17:55

Bloody Brits putting ideas into our heads like getting our Minister for Health to finally meet with the Doctors who have been attempting to blow the whistle on what is happening to Irish children under Tavistocks care!

www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/stephen-donnelly-will-meet-doctors-over-hse-referring-children-to-uk-trans-clinic-41910508.html