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Need to vent!

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Ladyof2022 · 12/08/2022 19:01

A woman posted on a local community neighbourhood forum website that I am a member of, expressing how honoured she felt being asked to do the make up and hair of a person aged 82 who had recently changed sex. He changed sex, it turns out, by beginning to wear make up, growing his hair to just below his ears and wearing skirts instead of trousers, and is now called "she".

The OP mentioned how uncomfortable he said he had felt for years, "having" to wear a bra under male clothes, worried sick that someone might notice, but now he could be himself, sorry herself.

Not only was the OP gushing but all the women who replied to the thread fawned and simpered over the 82-yr-old, using words like how "amazing" the person was to have done this and phrases like "being her true self" etc.

Not one woman who responded asked WHY she felt that she "HAD TO" wear a bra when she used to be a man. None asked to have the process explained as to how putting on a skirt turns a male into a female.

Honestly these brainless handmaidens drive me up the wall!

I have to sit on my hands. We post in our real names on that site and so I have to gag myself, silence myself, as I could not cope with the onslaught of abuse I know I would get, the loss of potential friends and customers to my small local business. Yes, I know that makes me a coward and I feel bad about that, as well!

I was longing to reply as below, but I can't, so to get it off my chest I am posting it on here.

"You know what is genuinely brave and amazing? Negotiating life as a female. Not only battling all the disadvantages of growing up as a girl under patriarchy, but putting up with periods, boys staring and teasing and groping, men leering and commenting on your teenage body, then often a string of relationships with men who treat you like a second class citizen or talk down to you or browbeat you for sex when you don't want it. Then there are the multivarious female-only conditions that millions of women have to contend with: endometriosis, fibroids, etc etc. Then there is the labour market and the search for a half-decent husband. Then childbearing and childrearing, juggling work and childcare, being criticised by all sides. Next often comes a divorce, widowhood or other heartbreak which she just has to get over and make the best of things. Then there is the second struggle to be taken seriously in the workplace. Then comes the menopause, with all the horrors that brings many women, and then being denigrated as an "old woman" who is ignored, put down, or mocked.

WOMEN are the people who should be celebrated as brave, NOT a man who for 82 years enjoyed all the advantages and privileges of being a male in a patriarchal society - a better education, more prestige, higher status, higher wages, a little wifey at home to meet his needs and do his housework and raise his kids. At age 82 he puts on a skirt and some lipstick and suddenly she's this great, brave, stunning heroine, fawned over by women, many of whom have spent their lives as detailed above, but they still think the transwoman is braver and more amazing and courageous and stunning than they are, and indeed than any woman is.

My blood is boiling and I am so frustrated that I cannot post on that thread. Grrr!

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Ladyof2022 · 12/08/2022 22:42

I went out for the evening and suddenly realised that I had forgotten to include miscarriages and abortions in the list of what many women have to put up with in their lives. So add that to my list.

The trans woman is not disabled in any way, so yes, she does not need someone to come and do her make up or do her hair, which is simply a slightly wavy bob.

Yes, it's the fawning and adulation that gets my goat, which they would never give to another woman.

And, you know what else? LOADS of women in their 70s and 80s dress as men. I see them all the time (I live in a town with a high elderly population) -- trousers and baggy tee shirts, trainers, boots, etc and have short hair and wear no make up. Where's the adulation that should be heaped on them, for finally throwing away the tight, impractical clothing, the high heels and the shackles of cosmetics, having their long hair cut off, in other words, being at long last their true selves?

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BeenHereAWhileNow · 12/08/2022 21:50

Rant away speaking for many of us

BeenHereAWhileNow · 12/08/2022 21:49

Blister · 12/08/2022 19:25

To have all the positives of boobies and none of the not-so-niceties.
I'm guessing all that bra wearing didn't come with a letter from the NHS about mammograms?

Crap I forgot to book my mammogram I’ll set a reminder for next week

toomanytrees · 12/08/2022 21:45

I have noticed and wondered about this behavior by some women towards men who have ventured into traditionally female pastimes and groups. These women are so quick to gush and fawn in a way they would never do to another female. Perhaps the answer is deep in the evolutionary history of female attraction to competition for males. It could be argued that the gushing woman is reacting to the transwoman's sex and not the the woman costume. At a deep, fundamental and even subconscious level women can recognize men.

viques · 12/08/2022 21:14

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Women are marginalised? Just think about that for a moment, 50% of the population, marginalised. Pushed to one side, and by whom? That other 50% of the population, not forgetting the women “trans allies” who are now encouraging and supporting men to further marginalise women by encroaching on our spaces : our prisons, refuges, hospital wards,toilets, changing rooms, rape crisis centres, recreational and professional sports, even muscling us out and trying to shame us out of using the words and language we use about ourselves.

Rant away OP, it’s about time women stopped being nice about the people who disrespect our sex by stealing our identity and mocking us.

TheFeistyFeminist · 12/08/2022 20:54

Your articulate rant has my full support. Well said!

OldFashionedWoman · 12/08/2022 20:54

Oh gawd, rant well deserved.

I'm highly suspicious that the needing to get someone to come and do hair and make up is just effing attention seeking validating bollox anyway. The client knew that the hair and beauty therapist would be straight in social media for the likes/kudos whatever.

The client is probably reading every word of the handmaidens with an extremely happy smile, iykwim.

Jellyjunction · 12/08/2022 20:43

I love your rant! I was cheering you on with every word!

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Lemon1822 · 12/08/2022 19:51

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Blister · 12/08/2022 19:25

To have all the positives of boobies and none of the not-so-niceties.
I'm guessing all that bra wearing didn't come with a letter from the NHS about mammograms?

Birdsweepsin · 12/08/2022 19:23

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JellySaurus · 12/08/2022 19:09

Rant away!

Why he had to wear a bra under his clothes? The love that dare not speak its name?