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Government Legal Department leaving Stonewall

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achillestoes · 11/08/2022 14:07

Julie Bindel has it on good authority. This is a large department (c. 2,000 staff), and it provides legal advice to other government departments.

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 12/08/2022 16:53

LizzieSiddal · 12/08/2022 15:50

We all need to know why a government Legal department did not know Stonewall’s advice was illegal!! We all knew it was.

This is the advert alongside the thread for me. I'd no idea


  • She Hulk exists

  • And I'd not have expected her to be an Attorney At Law.

Government Legal Department leaving Stonewall
Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/08/2022 16:33

I think there was a touch of sarcasm, Thinking.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 12/08/2022 15:59

BordoisAgain · 12/08/2022 12:51

Another win for Stonewall!

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LizzieSiddal · 12/08/2022 15:50

We all need to know why a government Legal department did not know Stonewall’s advice was illegal!! We all knew it was.

BordoisAgain · 12/08/2022 12:51

Another win for Stonewall!

LunaLights · 12/08/2022 10:16

Maybe the GLD had to leave to be able to act against SW?
It would be more embarrassing to be a diversity champion of the organisation that you need to expunge due to their overreach and touting of SW law, than it would be to leave and then act against SW…. ???

heathspeedwell · 12/08/2022 10:15

This is very good news. It suggests that behind the scenes the balance of power is changing fast.

Whatwouldscullydo · 12/08/2022 10:05

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 12/08/2022 09:57

Agreed. It should be up to them to contact the people/organisations that they have misled and signpost them to the actual laws and not Stonewall law.

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The first port of call should be the police. Until its very publically announced that they are no longer going to act as the " heavies" people will just carry on as they are.

How can we have the GLD and the police forces acting in.opposition to eachother.

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achillestoes · 12/08/2022 10:02

It’s a big ship and it will take time to turn.

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 12/08/2022 09:57

Whatwouldscullydo · 12/08/2022 09:40

I fear its all irrelevant until every school and company is contacted and told once and for all what policies must cover, whatnthe protected characteristic are etc

Otherwise this is the equivalent of trashing a room then walking off hoping someone else clears it up

Agreed. It should be up to them to contact the people/organisations that they have misled and signpost them to the actual laws and not Stonewall law.

Whatwouldscullydo · 12/08/2022 09:40

I fear its all irrelevant until every school and company is contacted and told once and for all what policies must cover, whatnthe protected characteristic are etc

Otherwise this is the equivalent of trashing a room then walking off hoping someone else clears it up

LaBaDeeLaBaDa · 12/08/2022 09:35

Whatwouldscullydo · 12/08/2022 09:15

What does this mean in reality?

It doesn't appear that ofsted leaving or the DofE guidance made much difference to whata going on in schools. What difference will this make if still many refuse to re write policies according to the law as it stands not SW law. And many just seem.content to do their own thing.

I of course am glad that another source of income is withdrawn. But will they correct anything /review any thing they have done or contine to do what they have done so far with the advice given ?

Yeah, this is what I worry about. My department has left stonewall (but like pp gave a wishy washy value for money argument as the reason why), and ministers are now giving clear direction about sex-based language, etc. But most people I work with see it as a Tory culture war, and the staff networks are holding sessions on how to support staff in a hostile environment 🤦‍♀️

It's progress, definitely, but there's a lot more to do to shift the culture, get a fair hearing for GC views, and challenge the consensus of the networks.

Whatwouldscullydo · 12/08/2022 09:15

What does this mean in reality?

It doesn't appear that ofsted leaving or the DofE guidance made much difference to whata going on in schools. What difference will this make if still many refuse to re write policies according to the law as it stands not SW law. And many just seem.content to do their own thing.

I of course am glad that another source of income is withdrawn. But will they correct anything /review any thing they have done or contine to do what they have done so far with the advice given ?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/08/2022 08:57

Brilliant!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/08/2022 08:56

Thank you!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/08/2022 08:52

Link! Please!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/08/2022 08:49

Ooh really? Do you have a link?

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achillestoes · 12/08/2022 08:34

Now confirmed.

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 11/08/2022 21:47

Whatsnewpussyhat · 11/08/2022 21:45

But will they then simply outsource their EDI training to another, equally dubious group?

Like the BBC did? tbh, that's my apprehension.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 11/08/2022 21:45

But will they then simply outsource their EDI training to another, equally dubious group?

dcbc1234 · 11/08/2022 20:24

Why on earth were all these parts of UK Government signed up in the first place though?

RudsyFarmer · 11/08/2022 16:39

The amount of money being spent on this absolute nonsense is going to see it tumble like a house of cards.

VestofAbsurdity · 11/08/2022 16:37

I don't see how the Government Legal Department could remain associated with and organisation that so blatantly misrepresents the actual fucking law.

Theonline · 11/08/2022 15:34

I think you’re right @NitroNine

But parenting is not always about keeping the peace of course.

I am a very angry mummy, quietly fuming as I change gender to sex in every equality impact assessment and [other more outing interventions that] ensure we comply with our statutory duties and the civil service code. One of my jobs as a mother is to teach my kids boundaries. I am serious about public service and I am up for whatever fight is needed.