HardTalk - Shona Fay

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Helen Joyce issued a very classy invitation recently (in the light of the news of the closure of GIDS).

Open invitation to journos who have interviewed me and seen the result spiked by high-ups who say I’m “transphobic” to reach out again. I’ve been proven right on it all - women fired, charities becoming extortion rackets, kids sterilised. I won’t hold a grudge. Drop me a line
Or if you’ve wanted to interview me or commission me but been too afraid, or convinced you wouldn’t get it through more senior editors - now’s the time. You’re already very late to a huge story. You’ve ignored the biggest medical scandal of our era. Time to do your job properly

twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1552924642863620096?

I shall never get over the disappointment that the cover of SF's book is not a pic of a randy budgie pecking at its own reflection in a mirror....

Amazing. Helen Joyce writes a bestselling game changing book and I think I'm right in saying she's never once been heard on the BBC, never mind seen.
She'd be brilliant on Hardtalk.
Will never happen.

Would be nice to just dismiss Faye as yet another misogynist irrelevance. Unfortunately Welsh Government listen to Shon who is on the staff of Stonewall Cymru. Shon's view that women who don't enjoy their erasure are bigots reflects WG's stance. Head. Desk. Repeat.

I hadn’t read that review. It’s a cracker

Thank you for reminding me about this brilliant book review.

www.spiked-online.com/2021/09/03/the-transgender-delusion/

It's a thing of beauty.

Lots of filler there!

It didn't come across as intentionally misogynist, to be fair, just completely and utterly clueless about women, possibly even unaware that we exist.

interesting

my view on shon fwiw is shon is suffering from some serious internalised homophobia. i suspect a world without women would inconvenience shon not all, leaving aside having a mechanism to interpret shon's sexual orientation in a way that's acceptable to shon.

Shon Faye as discussed on MN will come up if this is put into a search bar.

site:mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights shon faye

I noticed when the presenter said "you're a woman", to Shon, when talking about female only spaces that for a second Shon looked a bit blank, as if Shon didn't click Shon was supposed to think they were one. The interview was generally good from the presenter's side but I did roll my eyes at being expected to go along with the idea that SF was a woman. Shon's sex was actually more obvious in that interview than others I've seen.

I started the book but couldn't get past the disconnect between the very self-consciously student radical, Marxist Theory Study Group language and the hardcore libertarian world view. I kept picturing a fifteen year old furiously pounding away on a MacBook Pro surrounded by Che Guevara and Angela Davis pinups and empty kombucha bottles, deep in some cushy upholstered basement in Cupertino.

It didn't come across as intentionally misogynist, to be fair, just completely and utterly clueless about women, possibly even unaware that we exist.

I wouldn’t recommend reading Shon Faye’s book but I would recommend reading Brendan O’Neill’s review of it in Spiked.

There was something about Shon being very upset by stickers on a train.

Shon 'found' the stickers, which referred to women's sex based rights, & having happened upon these stickers made a big hoo ha about having peeled them off & ripped them up, because obviously sex based rights are BAD & 'enjoy ur erasure'.

Shon's gone quite quiet lately.

Aye if that’s the ‘acceptable face’ I’d hate to see the unacceptable.

Privately educated as a boys school weren’t they? Explains the entitles attitude (not that all private school kids act entitled, but there are some who do with absolute confidence).

Oh yes! My peri menopausal memory problems make my recollections rather unreliable at the moment! Serves me right for being a boring old cunty type of woman.

I’m familiar with the book, though not looked too closely at it. I may or may not have put a stack of Joyce’s ‘Trans’ on a table next to it … 🤭

Appearing on WH in 3, 2, 1...

My second thought was woah, the fillers.

Not rtft.

Watched two mins and remembered that stock and Joyce's books both completely overshadowed this person's book at the time.

I predict an attempt to claw some back.

And here's Shon's 'enjoy your erasure' tweet -

Full text - 'im a woman because I say I am sorry you've lost - even law says so - enjoy ur erasure' (spelling/grammar Shon's own)

Yep, that was Shon. We're some metaphysical shifting constellation.

Foxy, not Shon. Wouldn't want people to think I was misgendering.

Yes, he did! 😬

Here is Shon tearing up a "Women's sex based rights" card