What are you playing at ASOS?

I always look at the EU sizing, which is unisex, rather than the UK sizing.
Women's 8 can be a 41 or a 42. Sometimes same as men sizes sometimes not.
I always find EU sizing to be reliable

Hubby and I are the same shoe size, but his shoes are way bigger than mine.

@BootsAndRoots thats not always true at all. I often buy mens shoes in a size 9 which are the same as womens size 9. Definitely not different sizes.

Well, as certain people seem to want to claim they don't really exist, I don't see why that should bother ASOS.

We nearly got caught out by this when buying DD some hockey shoes - Asic's men's size 41/42 are much bigger than women's (luckily we were in a physical shop as their webshop lobbed both together).

Hey let men wear heels and suffer! I'm all for that!

but it will only take hold if men look attractive that way, Attraction is subjective. It depends whom he wants to be attractive to, if that is one of his aims.
There are plenty of people who adhere to society's norms of what is attractive—often spending a lot of time and effort to look polished—that I find really unattractive. Specifically because of how they seem to have bought into capitalism's vision.
Granted I don't find that particular look attractive - but that's mainly because the heels make me think of the whole 'hobbled is sexy' thing which makes me cringe, and because it makes me think the wearer might believe 'woman' is a costume or have a fetish I don't wish to be co-opted into, or might be into drag which I don't like.
If men just want to wear skirts and heels to enjoy feeling beautiful, I have no problem with that. Perhaps, one day they will feel confident enough to do so without needing to link it to women and drag won't be so popular.

High heels marketed to men won't appeal to the AGPs I'm afraid.

What's wrong with this?

deeperthanallroses · Today 04:15
That is ‘gender bending’ really though. you make it sound like they were trying to be sex bending. They wanted to look male in an ornate decorative way. And amen to that I say- let them all dress however they want and if that’s sequin skirts that’s ok.

I am not sure what you mean by making it seem they were sex bending rather than gender bending.

That they wanted to look male in an ornate and decorative way is what I was saying too. I was just emphasising their intention to signal maleness. Ornate and beautiful does not mean ‘female’ gender in other cultures, or past customs in Europe. In a peacock it can’t even possibly be called ‘gender’. It would be easier to get rid of the word.

Anyway, I think the intention of men in the 70s and 80s was to be free from rules, free from strictures their fathers had lived under, and to look wild, slightly bad, sexy and beautiful in a creative way. Art school people had an influence I think.

So clothes as expression however you want. Good.

The fashions did not seem to involve wearing traditionally women’s clothes though. The 70s huge platform boots had men’s own designs, and so did the 60s Cuban heeled ones which were a bit like male Spanish dancers’) The men’s platform boots were far more exaggerated than the women’s. Blouses and shirts were copies of men’s from earlier eras. Velvet and satin was too.

But there were some unisex clothes like Afghan coats, floppy hats, women wearing men’s levis and lovely old army clothes with buttons etc from markets.)

A lot of less creative young men, had another look:Jesus hair and beard, tight trousers and a tee shirt, with a necklace. They were not so glamorous and sometimes a bit grizzly even then.

Male and female sexes clearly used clothes and hair differences to signal each other’s sexes, to signal their differences from the past, and to signal freedom from the older generation and their rules. ‘Gender’ is not a big enough concept for all this.

This generation was born in a release from war, but grew up under a distant but persistent nuclear threat. So there may have been a feeling of live while you can.

There was plenty of gaze freely going on in all directions, even though women should not feel they have to dress for the male (female) gaze, and men should not have to dress for the female (or male) gaze.

As our two sexes underpin our existence it is not surprising there is a human drive to express them to each other in in what ever shifting fashion.

ASOS may be picking up on a new freer fashion with women’s styles for men, but it will only take hold if men look attractive that way, or evidently more relaxed and comfortable (not likely with those particular boots!).

This is where I'd initially hoped the trans movement was going to go

I'm still hoping it will. I'm hoping this is the figuring out stage and it'll go in the right direction eventually. Pity there will be so much collateral damage though

I'm really happy to see men being encouraged and given the opportunity to explore styles outside of the extremely narrow range expected of them. This is where I'd initially hoped the trans movement was going to go.

I'm all for gender-bending and the queering of fashion! The only issues I've ever had with the trans movement are the push towards medical and surgical solutions to gender dysphoria and the blurring of lines between gender and sex in areas such as sport.

To the PP who commented this makes men less attractive; much like women do not exist to satisfy the male gaze, neither do men exist to satisfy the female gaze.

It doesn't end there

What about these bad boys

www.asos.com/prd/202686960?acquisitionsource=pasteboard

If you are a woman size 3-5 you can't buy them, they only start at size 6.

It is irritating though that shoes are never available in larger sizes for women. It's got worse not better with magical thinking around numbers. An old 7.5 is now marketed as an 8. Women are expected to not complain and put up with it.
It would probably do me a lot of favours if more men started wearing 'women' type shoes - better quality, better prices, bigger sizes.
Ideally they would start liking very low heels/flats though

They are mens shoes in the mens section, what is the issue?

I think they are ugly because I'm not keen on the really pointy toes, but some people love them.

If men want to develop the chicken drumstick look you get wearing heels, they are more than welcome.

I don’t find this offensive but I do think it’s odd! Ok if it’s for women why not use a female model, if it’s for men ok use a male model but then in a skirt..? I know that’s not particularly radical but I do find it a bit odd. X

Men in heels is nothing new men in dresses is nothing new. I am all for people wearing what they want and genderless clothing. Those boot heels look a bit spindly though, I would worry they might snap on bigger men.

Men in heels - great! They're most welcome to them. I'll keep my trainers thanks 😁

I also have absolutely no problem with this. People should be free to wear whatever they want.
Don't be so judgemental.
It's when things infringe on women's rights is when I have a problem.

Didn't get the reaction you wanted from this one? Lols. I like these responses, for this board

I have size 10 feet as a 6" woman and would consider buying something like this, if I liked the style (which in this case I don't). The fact that it's a male model doesn't put me off. I already have to buy mens shoes.

That is ‘gender bending’ really though. you make it sound like they were trying to be sex bending. They wanted to look male in an ornate decorative way. And amen to that I say- let them all dress however they want and if that’s sequin skirts that’s ok.

youkiddingme
But as others have said, back in the 70s/80s there were plenty of gender-bending males
I can’t think of any that were not emphasising they were male. There was satin, and eye makeup, and long hair, but also very tight trousers, to make sure everyone knew they were men. I think it was more just what Bugaloo was talking about in that they were creating themselves as something beautiful rather than somber, and useful.

The boots are not my taste on a woman or a man but I see no reason for anyone not to wear them. The more 'normal' shops do this the more acceptable it will be for everyone to wear whatever they like, surely. It's time the stereotypes went in the bin imo. And as for needing the difference to fuel sexual attraction, how do all us 'non-feminine' dressing women get laid? (usually not that difficult). I guess there will be plenty of women who won't find a man in heels and a skirt attractive, because it seems unusual. And perhaps because, atm, it is mentally linked to trans ideology and drag queens for a lot of people - as these have had so much press. But as others have said, back in the 70s/80s there were plenty of gender-bending males and I certainly fancied a fair few of them. I think the more normalised it is the more people will adjust.