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What does Val McDermid mean?

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achillestoes · 09/08/2022 11:53

“My view of gender politics is you bring people into the tent. Womanhood is a big tent. It embraces me and Kim Kardashian. There’s certainly room in that tent for the trans women I know.”

Translate. Right answers only.

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achillestoes · 09/08/2022 12:14

@PicturesOfDogs

That’s how I read it.

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Zerogravity · 09/08/2022 12:14

What's the point of a womanhood tent if anyone can come in?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 09/08/2022 12:13

IcakethereforeIam · 09/08/2022 11:56

The writer? Very twaw, I believe.

I misread this to say " very twatty" Grin

PicturesOfDogs · 09/08/2022 12:10

I read it as basically saying that KK is such an affront to her sensibilities that to even consider them in the same category you’d also need to include men.

So she’s dim and bitchy.
Great

SirChenjins · 09/08/2022 12:08

It roughly translates as ‘As a mouthpiece for the SNP and staunch supporter of independence I’ll spout the nonsensical party line on the trans issue in order to continue using Bute House to sell my books’.

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achillestoes · 09/08/2022 12:07

It’s interesting that she seems to think she exists in such a different ‘sphere’ of womanhood to KK that it justifies adding men to the definition. Which of them (her or KK) does she consider as being marginal to the definition? In what way are they not both just women, but wearing different clothes?

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achillestoes · 09/08/2022 12:04

‘I do wonder at her use of KK as an example, suggesting she and her are so wildly different as to allow men to be brought into the same group.’

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Helleofabore · 09/08/2022 12:03

That was very much TW AW from my interpretation.

unwashedanddazed · 09/08/2022 12:00

I do wonder at her use of KK as an example, suggesting she and her are so wildly different as to allow men to be brought into the same group. Yet the difference between VM and KK is merely decoration. Strip away the artifice and what's left is identical.

I'm surprised someone so bright can be fooled by cosmetics.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 09/08/2022 12:00

‘ i was extremely, vocally grateful to go to a women’s college at Oxford, which I have acknowledged many times. I was lucky to be born into an era when being a same sex attracted woman did not have to be hidden. I was fortunate to be able to marry my partner, and raise a child with her.

recently, the Lesbian scene has been infiltrated by men claiming to be women, claiming to be lesbians. I’m getting on now; I don’t want to lose my lucrative speaking engagements and my publishing contracts by rocking the boat. So I’ll just betray everything I benefited from’.

oh Val, Val, you changed from when I knew you.

RoyalCorgi · 09/08/2022 11:59

People who aren't women are women!

Dogs can be cats!

Tables can be chairs!

And so on...

FlibbertyGiblets · 09/08/2022 11:59

She has forgotten about the tw she doesn't know. How would she gatekeep the unknowns?

I am aware this is the wrong answer, off to the gulag with me.

Greenleevses · 09/08/2022 11:59

"There are lots of different types of women, so men can be women too."

PriamFarrl · 09/08/2022 11:57

I read that as TWAW. But I wonder that she feels obligated to say that due to one of her earlier books being rather the opposite.

RudsyFarmer · 09/08/2022 11:57

My translation.is.... my opinion is the right opinion. Disagree with me at your peril.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/08/2022 11:56

The writer? Very twaw, I believe.