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"People who bleed" - new guidance about periods

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BoredofthisCrap7 · 09/08/2022 10:05

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11091543/NHS-advice-periods-goes-woke-Advice-refers-people-bleed.html

So should I be worried if a young man starts to bleed? It's normal right?
When will our son's start their periods?

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Theluggage15 · 09/08/2022 13:16

So you must always say that a trans woman is a woman, but actual women are now just described by their body parts and biological functions. That seems fair and sensible. Men are men and men are women.

viques · 09/08/2022 13:00

nooboonoo · 09/08/2022 12:53

People who bleed
People with a womb
People with ovaries
People with a vagina
People with a vulva
People with a cervix
People who give birth
People who chestfeed human milk
Pregnant people

Usually language veers towards abbreviating terms, not lengthening them, because it's easier to say.

Can anyone think of a word that succinctly sums up all of the terms above?

Transpeak.

(and we thought we had escaped 1984.)

viques · 09/08/2022 12:59

Madamecastafiore · 09/08/2022 12:43

Can they not just say women and trans men?

Can they not just say women and girls?

I am sorry if binary people and transmen have hurt feelings about the language used in a leaflet about periods, but I imagine that feelings hurt by the language in a leaflet about periods which is appropriate language for dealing with issues that concern womens bodies is the least of the issues that they deal with.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 09/08/2022 12:58

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 09/08/2022 12:56

‘Transgender males’ are still male, so they don’t have periods or need smear tests. I hink yo

Oh for an Edit key. Please ignore gibberish after first sentence.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 09/08/2022 12:56

Temporaryname158 · 09/08/2022 10:08

Transgender males may also have periods, need smear tests etc. I am sure you son will be fine if not born with female anatomy. I’m pretty sure you would have noticed that by now

‘Transgender males’ are still male, so they don’t have periods or need smear tests. I hink yo

nooboonoo · 09/08/2022 12:53

People who bleed
People with a womb
People with ovaries
People with a vagina
People with a vulva
People with a cervix
People who give birth
People who chestfeed human milk
Pregnant people

Usually language veers towards abbreviating terms, not lengthening them, because it's easier to say.

Can anyone think of a word that succinctly sums up all of the terms above?

User6784097 · 09/08/2022 12:52

Young people who bleed across Wales! How can somebody bleed across Wales? What if someone bleeds across England? My son has nose bleeds. I am very worried about him now

Franca123 · 09/08/2022 12:47

I think woman now means a male who likes pink. Old style women, have no words to describe themselves as it's too offensive.

nooboonoo · 09/08/2022 12:43

When is it acceptable to use the word women or girls then? Only when a trans person says they are one? But an actual woman or girl can't because it offends the person who says they are one but isn't actually one?
So if you are, you can't, but if you're not you can? Right.

Madamecastafiore · 09/08/2022 12:43

Can they not just say women and trans men?

Chersfrozenface · 09/08/2022 12:34

IcakethereforeIam · 09/08/2022 12:10

Are there any Welsh speakers who can give their opinion on the Welsh version, I'm assuming there is one.

Incidentally, I've posted this before, but 'terfyn' seems to be a Welsh word for boundary (also limit or end). I think the plural is 'terfynau'. Google translate told me 'terfy' is 'terminate', which I don't think it right but gave me a few thoughts.

I've had a quick look. The translations of "people who bleed" and "people who have their periods" are exactly that.

It also uses the plural third person when talking about an individual, which really doesn't work in Welsh. It's particularly jarring as it uses the singular second person, i.e. the familiar usage, rather than the formal plural second person - think 'tu' and 'vous' in French.

One thing on the home page in both languages that made me LOL was "Your period is a natural part of life and you shouldn’t feel any shame or embarrassment in that, half the population have them." Which half, you numpties? Anyway, it's not actually half the population, is it? Girls before puberty, women after the menopause, some women with medical conditions don't have periods.

Oh, and Google Translate is pretty shonky a lot of the time. 'terminate' is 'terfynu' not 'terfy'.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/08/2022 12:10

Are there any Welsh speakers who can give their opinion on the Welsh version, I'm assuming there is one.

Incidentally, I've posted this before, but 'terfyn' seems to be a Welsh word for boundary (also limit or end). I think the plural is 'terfynau'. Google translate told me 'terfy' is 'terminate', which I don't think it right but gave me a few thoughts.

EnidSpyton · 09/08/2022 12:06

This is honestly getting ridiculous now.

And it's getting into schools too. A couple of years ago we had an organisation come in to do a talk on puberty and sex to Year 7 and the woman delivering it used torturously degendered language to the point where the children were confused. Afterwards, one of my male students, who has autism, asked me when he would get his period, because nowhere in the talk was it made explicit that only girls/women have periods.

It's also hugely problematic for people for whom English is not a first language - information regarding health needs to be clear, precise and free of any ambiguity.

'Women and transmen' and 'Men and transwomen' should be perfectly acceptable to use - they are statements of fact and they are clear and unambiguous in whom they are referring to. However, because of this ridiculous insistence that 'transmen are men' and 'transwomen are women' - despite the fact we all know that, biologically, they're not and never will be - it's become impossible to call a spade a spade without having coals heaped on your head. In circumstances where biologically matters - as in medical literature and health information - we have to prioritise facts and not feelings.

And of course what it all comes down to is that the only people who are at risk of having their health and safety compromised by the erasure of sex-specific vocabulary are women. It is, purely and simply, misogyny. Transpeople have every right to live their lives freely and with the same human rights of every other person on the planet. I don't dispute that. What I don't think they have the right to do is insist that other people's lives, health and safety are placed at risk unnecessarily through insisting that the whole world is pivoted to place them and their feelings at the centre.

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/08/2022 12:05

1dayatatime · 09/08/2022 12:00

@Whatwouldscullydo

"So sick of period no longer being a dirty word but women/girl being one instead."

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When I was younger I always thought how terrible and barbaric it was (and is) that in certain countries menstruating women and girls were seen as dirty and a taboo topic.

Now the country I live in seems to think that the words women, girls and females are now a taboo topic. So depressing.

Shows how it doesn't matter of people are left wing or right wing. The end result is the same. Women unable to discuss uniquely female experiences without the approval of men/males.

Whoever wins. We lose

Justme56 · 09/08/2022 12:01

That wording is giving me War of the Worlds vibes.

1dayatatime · 09/08/2022 12:00

@Whatwouldscullydo

"So sick of period no longer being a dirty word but women/girl being one instead."

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When I was younger I always thought how terrible and barbaric it was (and is) that in certain countries menstruating women and girls were seen as dirty and a taboo topic.

Now the country I live in seems to think that the words women, girls and females are now a taboo topic. So depressing.

MarshaBradyo · 09/08/2022 11:59

Birdfeeder I’m with you

Why are we still subject to this mangled anti women stupid language?

what can we do

Every time we get changes this gets forced on us again

ThickCutSteakChips · 09/08/2022 11:58

Yes, 'bleed' definitely has some misogynistic undertones doesn't it? 'Never trust anything that bleeds for several days and doesn't die' and all that.

birdfeeders · 09/08/2022 11:56

This makes me so angry. They are falling overthemselves to trip over tongue twisters that make absolutely no sense.

PEOPLE WHO BLEED?!?!?!

What the fuck? One step away from calling us BLEEDERS.

If you are bleeding from a part of your anatomy, you need medical attention.

What is this fucking nonsense

Franca123 · 09/08/2022 11:52

It does put you in mind of the joke the boys had at school 'what has two legs and bleeds?'. Or when they referred to women's genitals as a 'wound'. The whole thing I find really off putting and goading. But I'm just a terf so my feelings don't matter.

Thelnebriati · 09/08/2022 11:51

It used to be the case that if a person thought a GRC meant they would actually change sex, it was grounds to refuse one. What changed?

Franca123 · 09/08/2022 11:48

Very odd English. 'Bleed' to me suggests a wound that blood is flowing from. Not a period. They've totally butchered the language. We're told all the time that there's no money yet 84k can be dropped on this virtue signalling crap? And that ambulance they'd covered in stonewall crap.

Iamdonewiththis · 09/08/2022 11:39

I pressed enter before ending..... only problem with the perfect one is many men identify as female so they might just think they are going to be getting periods - who knows?

Iamdonewiththis · 09/08/2022 11:38

Perfect

"Woman just means adult human female. Its inclusive of all identities held by female people aka women."

Shame we can't just use that.

SnowdropsInSpring · 09/08/2022 11:36

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/08/2022 11:25

I think that's partly the plan. To come up with phrases so terrible akd inaccurate that the dehumanising bullshit before becomes something we actually end up being ok with.

Yes. Very good point.