"People who bleed" - new guidance about periods

Oh dear, you are so wrong. About cheese that is. Cheese preferences are perfectly logical and based on fact not feelings.

I though transmen were female, but transgender men were male.

The two terms are interchangeable.

Trans women were born male. Trans men were born female.

We need better descriptors really. Or just stick to sex and leave the whole ‘gender’ thing out of it. It’s as sensible as birth signs or cheese preference.

I am so confused now and I thought I understood this, I though transmen were female, but transgender men were male.

You would be forgiven for thinking that. But no, in gender identity ideology terms, a "trans man" is a biologically female person who identifies as a man.

I thought transgender men are males who are trans and say they're women. Some posts here refer to them having female anatomy?

All seems a bit " misery loves company " doesn't it.

A small group of people are confused and upset about their bodies so everyone else has to be.

A couple of years ago we had an organisation come in to do a talk on puberty and sex to Year 7 and the woman delivering it used torturously degendered language to the point where the children were confused.

Did you (and genuinely not being snarky about this question) not feel the need to intervene and stop the session at the point it became obvious how confusing the language was?

I’d like to think, although not been in such a situation so I’m probably talking through my backside, that I’d kick the idiots out or, at least, start sticking my hand up during the session and start asking some very pointed questions for clarification.

Here's the title:

Effective Communication About Pregnancy, Birth, Lactation, Breastfeeding and Newborn Care: The Importance of Sexed Language

I post this link regularly. It's an excellent paper which clearly discusses the harms of euphemistic language and the importance of using sex based language.

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full

And their sex would be…?

Did any of you listen to the bbc prog 28ish days later? Had one episode featuring a transboy (ie female person) who talked about how shocked and upset they were when they started their period. Sounded like the people around were being so careful and caring about affirming their gender identity that they forgot to confirm their biology.

Lack of clarity and honesty about who is female and what that means is bad for everyone, however they identify. Not to mention people with poor (or frankly normal) English.

I thought we could have female even if we can’t have woman. But no.

No circumlocution for "female", no matter how degrading, is ultimately going to be acceptable to those promoting this worldview. Suppose women were to say, ok, fair enough, we don't want to exclude anyone, let's start using "people who bleed" to discuss the shared biology of women and trans men (formerly known as female biology). Women would then be told it is exclusionary to focus on people who bleed. If women were to continue to use the term, they would be told that it must include biological males who identify as people who bleed.

Rather than having a single euphemism for "female", we are told to refer to each female biological function separately (people who menstruate, pregnant people, people who lactate, people who go through the menopause, people with a cervix etc.), making it impossible to talk about female biology as a whole. This is the objective: to stop us talking about female biology as a single phenomenon, or drawing attention to the shared physical experience of females and its importance in our oppression. Which is why no consistent euphemism for female has emerged or ever will emerge from gender identity activism.

This is not just a language game. It's actually dangerous. Fragmenting our language for female biology impairs our understanding of our own bodies, especially for younger women and girls. Women will suffer as a result, not only medically but also psychologically and politically.

Thanks for responding @Chersfrozenface I got 'terfyn' off a road sign, so I was fairly sure that was accurate. 100% agree about Google translate.

That was why I used the word 'regularly'.

But I was being sarcastic. Using the words "women and girls", and adding "transmen" (or whatever the current permissible term is) if absolutely necessary, would be better than using "people", which in all normal speech includes males.

If you bleed from your vagina post-menopause then you require an emergency gynaecology appointment to check for cancer.

If you bleed from your vagina post sex abuse then that may indicate internal injury.

If you bleed from your vagina when pregnant then that may indicate a miscarriage, molar pregnancy or placenta previa (emergency)

'People who bleed' sounds like haemophiliacs

Great. So what is a 'transgender male'?

Surely everyone who has a circulation will bleed - or do they mean something else like people who have a vagina aged approximately between 10 and 55 who aren’t pregnant currently who have a menstrual cycle ? Ie women post puberty/pre menopause. So why can’t they say Women?

Im assuming they'll be doing an mri scan on us all and telling us what organs we have and don't have so we know what health messaging fits us and which we should ignore? Going to cost a bomb. It's strange that when I had ivf they immediately knew which tests they were doing on me and which on my male partner without doing a survey on our organs. Lucky guess I imagine.

Females have female anatomy.

HTH

There definitely used to be a simple word for all that!

I'm confused how the NHS is going to afford all the free scans we'll all surely be entitled to to check which of the categories we fit into. After all, I've never seen if I've got ovaries or a womb or a cervix. Maybe the bleeding has just been an intermittent bad cut? I don't really know that I chestfed human milk, I never got it tested, it could have been goat milk or milk of magnesia or dissolvable aspirin for all I know! If only there was an assumption of standard biology for most people.

'Females' would work.

My thoughts exactly!

People who bleed...as opposed to our lizard overlords ?

Correct. Being a woman has nothing to do with biological features, but all about feelings and what you wear.

'Men are men and men are women' - how sad.