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Just when I thought Academia couldn't sink any lower.

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Imnobody4 · 08/08/2022 16:40

Not just a PhD in wanking, but a peer-reviewed paper on masturbating to images of young boys. Published in "Qualitative Methods". t.co/L3MnSkYQFN

twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1556584749447143425?t=v_5NNIZDXKNzFbMBZxWsfQ&s=19

How did this get past Manchester University's ethics process @OfficialUoM ? Masturbating to images of children and writing it up for public consumption does not seem ethical to me. This is hugely disturbing.

Actually I'm speechless.

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titchy · 08/08/2022 22:58

maddy68 · 08/08/2022 22:48

PhDs are research surely that's a great topic to investigate?

By wanking off to it?

maddy68 · 08/08/2022 22:48

PhDs are research surely that's a great topic to investigate?

aweegc · 08/08/2022 22:47

I used to work on a helpline for people facing h personal difficulties. The excerpt above reads like some of the sex calls we used to get. The link being that the caller was getting off on the female listener listening to him. This dude's supervisor - a woman - is very likely playing an unwitting part in his fantasies.

And I hate to say it, because it's important that it's been shared so he can be (hopefully) stopped, but those men also satisfied their (masochistic) exhibitionist fetish by knowing they were being discussed.

As I've had a previous deletion for suggesting someone might think a certain way, Mods I've no idea what this guy is thinking, I'm merely stating what some other men told me they were.

GCBookseller · 08/08/2022 22:35

MAPs going mainstream 😡

FOJN · 08/08/2022 22:00

Well this is a very disturbing continuation of the drive to normalise paedophilia.

Did anyone scroll down the page of the Twitter link in the OP? Ur old friend Yaniv is blatantly using racist insults and making death threats. How are they not locked up?

nettie434 · 08/08/2022 21:49

I think it ought to be career ending but will it? Look at how the NSPCC reacted when photos were published of one of their employees who said he enjoyed wearing bondage stuff at work. Or the Grievance Studies papers published even though they deliberately based on completely fictional data?

areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/academic-grievance-studies-and-the-corruption-of-scholarship/

I am not sure that PhDs based on looking at published material have to go to an ethics committee but I haven't read the full article describing what he did so I am very conscious that I could be wrong.

Giveaschitt · 08/08/2022 21:22

Well this bit in his article just made me want to throw up. Beyond grim.

Just when I thought Academia couldn't sink any lower.
WarriorN · 08/08/2022 21:17

And continues...

Just when I thought Academia couldn't sink any lower.
Ushkin · 08/08/2022 21:17

Will do. The Manchester police website crashed but he's resubmitting his report as I type.
👏
Hopefully it crashed because it’s being flooded with reports about this man!

WarriorN · 08/08/2022 21:14

Sharon Kinsella has a website listing all her work and research.

As a complete aside, not about the subject of this thread, I found a chapter about 'Cute' trends in Japan. This page stood out re the trend this board discusses: (I think it was written a while ago as I'd imagine trans would make an appearance there.)

Just when I thought Academia couldn't sink any lower.
Ushkin · 08/08/2022 21:14

How can this not be career ending? I know some universities study weird stuff, but unless I missed it no one has a professorship of wanking?

I very much hope it will be, but having worked in academia for several years and seen all manner of abusive behaviour tolerated and even encouraged, I’m afraid I don’t hold out much hope of these types of people being investigated and held to account. I obviously hope I’m wrong!

Fladdermus · 08/08/2022 21:13

WarriorN · 08/08/2022 21:09

Thank your Dh @Fladdermus please from us 🙏

Will do. The Manchester police website crashed but he's resubmitting his report as I type.

WarriorN · 08/08/2022 21:09

Thank your Dh @Fladdermus please from us 🙏

lechiffre55 · 08/08/2022 21:07

drhf · 08/08/2022 18:10

Given he wrote a PhD about masturbating to it I think this bar is met "The Act defines a ‘pornographic image’ as one which must reasonably be assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal."

The solely or principally part is a high bar with which the CPS has sometimes had difficulty. In this instance, the researcher's work seems to cover handily whether the drawings are "principally for the purpose of sexual arousal".

'...no matter how my research participants’ takes on shota differed in terms of favourite theme, preferred age and style of characters, how they related their own selves to the story, and so on, they had one thing in common: almost all of them said that they masturbated to shota material...'

I am surprised - but not as surprised as I should be - that the Manchester University Research Ethics Committee (or in this case likely a small subset of the UREC who reviewed the application) did not point out to the student that there was a risk of his research being used in criminal evidence against him.

I think "there was a risk of his research being used in criminal evidence against him" is a diplomatic understatment. Does it not form a full confession? I have not read it myself because I don't want to subject myself to it, but others have reported it goes into great detail. What images he was looking at, the exact moment he ejaculated, what he was thinking, all in fine detail, many many records of. I doubt any police force in any country has ever had as detailed a child porn confession as that PhD.
Where he mentions other research subjects, surely they are in very serious legal peril too? If he has their details, communications, reports of their masturbation to similar material this might constitute a paedophile ring working together.
Where have all the indecent images come from? Has he brought them from Japan? If yes isn't he importing child porn internationally? If he imported it for the purpose of others maturbating to it, then I would imagine he's so far up shit creek without a paddle that he's now an explorer of hithertoo uncharted territories.
This could also be a very easy win for a police force that has a very battered reputation of late. A search warrant or two, a copy of the PhD and research notes, and they've closed the case. The guy even says he masturbated at home, so it's not like they have to look far for corroborating evidence.
I don't see how this could be any easier for the police?

dropthevipers · 08/08/2022 21:01

Ushkin · 08/08/2022 20:42

I recently had a paper (in which I nailed my GC colours to the mast, incidentally) rejected by an education journal. Not saying it should‘be been accepted but this story makes me even more bloody outraged that it wasn’t!!

Sadly I don’t necessarily think this will be career-ending for him as I’ve worked with people who’ve had papers published which have very obviously been an excuse to legitimise their own fetishes (though admittedly none quite this awful). I very much hope what @Fladdermus says is right, though, and am glad he’s been reported.

How can this not be career ending? I know some universities study weird stuff, but unless I missed it no one has a professorship of wanking?

Soubriquet · 08/08/2022 21:00

What in the holy fuck?!

WarriorN · 08/08/2022 20:58

Jfc

GCMM · 08/08/2022 20:51

The Chair of the university's ethics committee should be hauled over the coals for this, as well as the student's supervisor. It's really shocking, as it is so blatant.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/08/2022 20:45

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/08/2022 20:37

In plain sight. Does no one do any due dliigence any more?

I reckon posters on here could provide numerous examples where individuals and institutions repeatedly fail to exercise due diligence and advocate for individuals with reprehensible behaviour and who should be nowhere near children / young people.
Although this does seem to be a particular low amidst a grim selection.

Ushkin · 08/08/2022 20:42

I recently had a paper (in which I nailed my GC colours to the mast, incidentally) rejected by an education journal. Not saying it should‘be been accepted but this story makes me even more bloody outraged that it wasn’t!!

Sadly I don’t necessarily think this will be career-ending for him as I’ve worked with people who’ve had papers published which have very obviously been an excuse to legitimise their own fetishes (though admittedly none quite this awful). I very much hope what @Fladdermus says is right, though, and am glad he’s been reported.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 08/08/2022 20:42

His supervisor is the author of this book:

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GISRW9A/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i1

Schoolgirls, Money and Rebellion in Japan

'Japanese society in the 1990s and 2000s produced a range of complicated material about sexualized schoolgirls, and few topics have caught the imagination of western observers so powerfully. While young Japanese girls had previously been portrayed as demure and obedient, in training to become the obedient wife and prudent mother, in recent years less than demure young women have become central to urban mythology and the content of culture. The cultic fascination with the figure of a deviant school girl, which has some of its earliest roots in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, likewise re-emerged and proliferated in fascinating and timely ways in the 1990s and 2000s.

Through exploring the history and politics underlying the cult of girls in contemporary Japanese media and culture, this book presents a striking picture of contemporary Japanese society from the 1990s to the start of the 2010s. At its core is an in-depth case study of the media delight and panic surrounding delinquent prostitute schoolgirls. Sharon Kinsella traces this social panic back to male anxieties relating to gender equality and female emancipation in Japan. In each chapter in turn, the book reveals the conflicted, nostalgic, pornographic, and at times distinctly racialized manner, in which largely male sentiments about this transformation of gender relations have been expressed. The book simultaneously explores the stylistic and flamboyant manner in which young women have reacted to the weight of an obsessive and accusatory male media gaze.

Covering the often controversial subjects of compensated dating (enjo kôsai), the role of porn and lifestyle magazines, the historical sources and politicized social meanings of the schoolgirl, and the racialization of fashionable girls, Schoolgirls, Money, Rebellion in Japan will be invaluable to students and scholars of Japanese culture and society, sociology, anthropology, gender and women's studies.'

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/08/2022 20:37

Justacorpse · 08/08/2022 20:25

It does seen unlikely he’s coming at this from a safeguarding angle
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer_Magazine

In plain sight. Does no one do any due dliigence any more?

KittenKong · 08/08/2022 20:36

Fladdermus · 08/08/2022 20:14

DH (academic) says this is career ending. What he thinks has happened is that the university have taken him on as a PhD candidate but he hasn't had any funding for his 'research'. He's either lied about what he's doing or he's had no supervision. DH expects his PhD supervisor and the supervisor's boss to be in deep shit over this. The bloke himself will either be sacked, or if for some reason he can't be it'll only be a matter of time before they 'manage' him out. His career is over.

There is no way the university or ethics approved this.

The journal that published this will also be in the shit. This won't have gone to peer review as peers would have rejected it on ethical grounds. The editor has most likely approved this directly. This happens with smaller journals who don't always use peer review. The publishing house will go nuts once they find out. When similar things have happened in the past (although he says this is worse) the editor of the journal and sometimes the board have all been sacked.

Heads will roll once the right people know, and if they don't already know, they will soon. DH is currently writing to his contacts at Manchester university and the publishing house to make sure they know as he's absolutely furious. He's also reporting it to the police.

Go DH!

mrshoho · 08/08/2022 20:28

Yes thanks @Fladdermus . I'm relieved to hear that this is not acceptable in the academic world. I never doubted it was but you never bloody know what new lows are possible!

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