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Realistically, do you think this is as much progress as we’re going to make?

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ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 07/08/2022 15:58

In terms of women’s rights. I know it seems bleak when we are making progress in the sex v gender stuff, but really we’re just trying to protect what we already have. Having seen the lengths men (and some women) are prepared to go to to rid us of our rights it just feels like even if we defend everything, so much energy is going to be spent on defence and fighting off other attacks that we won’t have time for anything else. And now men have seen how little it took to get what they want, why are they going to stop there? They’ll either continue or find another loophole. Sorry this is so despondent. I’d be interested in others thoughts! Am I being too negative?

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IamSarah · 07/08/2022 16:42

No. I think the more women who are directly affected by trans activism, the more the tide will turn.

Floisme · 07/08/2022 16:38

As regards self ID, I think that if in England we can hold it off for just a couple more years, then there will have been enough law suits to make whichever government is in power about-turn and run as fast as they can. That's when I'm in a positive mood, as I am today.

I'm not going to try and predict what might happen in countries where the the legislation has already been passed, but I think it'll be a lot harder to disentangle the mess.

But as regards protecting women's rights in general, I don't think that fight ever ends and that if self, ID is defeated, something else - possibly something even more fiendish - will pop up its place. Hopefully one lesson we'll have learned from this shit show is the need for vigilance. I think far too many of us took our eye off the ball and we've paid a very high price.

Signalbox · 07/08/2022 16:18

I think self ID is almost guaranteed to happen at some point. The Tories won’t be in power forever and Labour have promised to update the GRA to include self ID. Hopefully by the time that happens the many legal challenges will have established that women are entitled to separate spaces / services and sports AND are allowed to talk about their sex-based rights without being fearful of a visit from the local constabulary or of losing their job. It’ll still be a blow though when it happens.

dropthevipers · 07/08/2022 16:14

Think gender woo will collapse like all other bullshit religions, slowly at first then very quickly.

midgetastic · 07/08/2022 16:06

Change is always slow

Always one step forward two steps back

Think instead how far we have come over the centuries - not just in feminism but in all sorts of human rights / it's taken a few thousand years to get here