Concept of ‘exclusively same sex attracted’

Those scenarios in Game of Thrones were not meant to be real or set as life goals.

Franca123 I think we're on the same page, after the incest comment I was reminded of that 'man amuses himself by playing devils advocate' meme that was doing the rounds a while back.

I'm heterosexual. I love the shape, scent, feel and texture of male bodies. I would have no sexual interest in a TM.

It's very clear to me that lesbians love the shape, scent, feel and texture of female bodies. It's not complicated, FFS. Of course TW aren't going appeal to lesbians.

I feel great sympathy for lesbians hassled by unwelcome approaches from TW. I'd find it very annoying.

Am I right in thinking that most transsexuals who have genital surgery are sexually attracted to men? Whereas the TW who retain their facial hair and dicks are the ones who tend to be attracted to women? This far larger group are the ones likely to identify as lesbians. No wonder lesbians get pissed off.

Why bring up incest on this thread OP? It's not pertinent. For your entertainment? Gratification?

Very disturbing.

Who the hell brings up children's bodies when talking about sexual attraction to one sex or the other?

There's more red flags flying round this poster than at a Red Army Parade.

Franca

It is has been said before. On other threads.

I'm not sure if you're allowed to say this on mumsnet but I really find it hard to believe the OP is a woman. All of it reads like a man.

Yes.... The 'edginess' test and you are very right... red flag territory.

Sibling fuck buddies now.

Yet here we were discussing sexual attraction between adults - the subject of the whole thread - and talking about lesbians who are repulsed by male bodies in terms of (lack of) sexual attraction and you muddied the waters, saying lesbians with sons aren’t repulsed by their sons’ male bodies, as if that had any relevance.

You introduced the feelings of mothers about their children’s bodies in the context of a discussion that was solely about sexual attraction, or lack thereof, between adults.

And then when the weirdness and inappropriateness of that comment was pointed out, you introduced the “hilarious” topic of incest - without initially any further clarification, so still in the context of parents’ feelings about their children’s bodies.

And then you say oh but I was only talking about adult siblings who weren’t brought up together. Why? Why did you make that leap? What in the current conversation made you think of incest?

Do you think any of this makes you look like someone with reasonable, rational arguments?

No.

And your refusal to accept that lesbians who are clear that their sexual orientation precludes all biological males, no matter how those males identify, are fully entitled to that orientation and to have a clear, unambiguous name for themselves, is equally unreasonable and irrational.

You really are making yourself look like a dreadful, irrational bigot.

The answer is very simple

Lesbians are attracted to adult human females

A individual cannot be lesbian if they are attracted to someone who is not an adult human female

Surely this thread has got to turn its metaphorical toes up at some point very soon? I've dipped in and out as it has developed, been impressed by the cogent and methodical dissection of op's goady premise and nonsensensical 'gotchas' laid out by a lot of extremely patient women, lesbian and otherwise (mostly the former), and been staggered by the obviousness of op's refusal to address any of the points put to her. Only here to say thanks to the women who destroyed op's specious strawmen over and over again (was going to list, but really too many to name!) only to be ignored and met with more asinine handmaidery. I've had enough of op's narcissistic intellectual masturbation, I'm off.

interesting ethical questions.

OP appears to have a unique and persistent passion for abstract discussions of edge cases that could potentially be leveraged to chip away at sexual boundaries.

(also a “philosophical discussion” about incest on the second date! 🚩🚩🚩)

There could be a 'wtf' category.

The gift that keeps on giving

D'you think mn towers would compile a book from some of these threads? Or have awards, with categories. There are gems amongst these posts.

I'm actually using this thread as a place for feminist grassroots consciousness-raising, in the old '70s 2nd Wave way:
women talking to women, being utterly frank
empowering and encouraging each other
to speak up
to demand
to act
to say NO to men in women and lesbians same-sex spaces, sports, scholarships/setasides

So is acceptance of incest a test on how edgy you are?

I think out of just about everything I have read from this poster historically and now, ‘ I did ask my partner about her philosophical and moral views on incest on our second date, and later told her I’d worried she was ‘vacuous’ because of her lack of views on the subject. ‘, probably says all that needs to be said.

I see we're onto tee hee incest lolz as supposedly now an important point in this never ending bullshit.

I think I'll leave you to play to your gallery at this point OP. <waves to Twitter>

And to try to undermine it as not 'logically sustainable' via hypothetical what-ifs (which appear not to ring true with lesbians on the thread) .... wtf would anyone reasonable want to do that?

Also any person ,knowing they have a male body, who deliberately seeks out lesbians is frankly beneath contempt.

The moral position on denial of same sex attraction is also entirely clear. It's homophobic not to accept that there are people who are only attracted to their own sex. It's weirdly out of touch not to accept that there are people only attracted to the opposite sex.

I miss Langcleg. I flounced off to Spinster when she was banned but the site wasn’t very user friendly so I came back here.

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