Concept of ‘exclusively same sex attracted’

Yup. Deluded and problematic to other women too. Especially young lesbians who are now being told they must accept men who have had surgery to remove their penises.

It's abusive beyond belief.
And yet OP thinks they can keep saying the same stupid things over and over and over and over and over.

And then go crying to their therapist that the women here are being mean to them and don't agree with them.

Disgusting.

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I’m more just baffled. You seem to have such ingrained, inflexible beliefs about what women are like and what men are like you can’t conceive of anyone not fitting your preconceptions.

Says someone who is basing their beliefs on gender stereotypes. Your sex is what you are what you are like is up to you and shouldn't be based on stereotypes, basing what someone should be like on stereotypes is down to gender ideology

I thought GC feminists believed sex is just biology,

Congratulations you are starting to get it. Although you could drop the the word "just" from the sentence.

and everything else (other than offending rates) is just stereotypes?

And this is were you go wrong again, you should be able to do what you like, play with what you like and have sex with who you like (consent etc.) without being a stereotype.

The vast majority of TRAs that I have seen are all stereotypes. The trans-people that I know just want to get on with their lives.

I have 2 friends who are lesbians happily dating transwomen, they're all just getting on enjoying their lives, thankfully their lesbian social group is not hounding them about ID, I'm sure they could do without it

You don't. You have two friends who are women dating transwomen (ie males). They aren't lesbians. They can call themselves lesbians, they can hang out with their lesbian social groups, but once theyre dating dick, they aren't lesbians. They know it, we know it, you know it. You just pretend otherwise

@TheClogLady excellent point, and English is brilliant for coining new words.

I don't believe a transwomen can be a lesbian. To accept that opens the door to penis people being included in lesbian only spaces such as clubs, forums and dating apps.

If a transwomen pretends to be a lesbian in those forums then they are attempting to coerce and deceive lesbians into sex.

Surely accept and be proud of who you are and if you are a female attracted transwomen then you may be better either approaching women who are bi, pan or hetro, the ones that are actually interested in sex with males.

Leave lesbians to enjoy lesbians for heavens sake.

In you friends example the woman can consider herself what ever sexuality she wants. But others will not consider her in a lesbian relationship. They will consider her bi, pan or hetro. A woman having consensual sex with a transwoman isn't having lesbian sex.

Lesbians need a word that means female attracted solely to other females and the word must remain meaning only that.

plenty of trans people seem to like the word ‘transbian’ - I think it’s a great example of how language can evolve rather than be hijacked or colonised into meaninglessness.

If a male transitioner who is attracted to women and other male transitioners can have a new word, then surely it makes sense to make an accompanying word that accurately indicates the complementary opposite (and leaves lesbian for female people who are exclusively homosexual)?

I’m not fond of ‘cis’ (I am a gender apostate with no gender identity of my own) but I presume the women who like women and transwomen are happy to self describe as ‘cis’ so ‘cisbian’ could work (whilst also signalling to actual lesbians that the cisbian match on their dating app is a bisexual believer in gender identity, under old style definitions)?

why make old words less useful when you can create new, additional words that help everyone to communicate more accurately?

I have better things to talk about with my therapist thanks.

Why am I not surprised you have a therapist!! 😂

Thank you, I think this might be the first post on this whole thread agreeing with me.

Kind of like a microcosm of society, really.

I thought GC feminists believed sex is just biology, and everything else (other than offending rates) is just stereotypes?

There's this little thing called socialisation and it's part of the whole sexist stereotypes and expectations thing, we used to call "gender" back when it made any sense and hadn't been pomoed out of all recognition.

I have better things to talk about with my therapist thanks.

I can only imagine.

😂

OP
You've confused description with prescription, attraction with sex and now assessment with stereotyping.
I'm sure explaining this new confusion will be another 1000 post display of not listening.

Should we assume that the OP supports males in all three of these issues then?

And OP wonders why in a thread about lesbians and forcing them to change language as well as to accept dick, there is only one poster who shares their view.

Oh no. That’s right, because a forum open to anyone and moderated to make sure it does, is the ‘echo chamber’ and ‘bubble’ and their group of lesbians they know well enough to have these discussions with is the majority view. And I wonder if those lesbians that OP has told us are fully in support of forcing these changes also have that same flexibility of morality with regards to incest. Have you asked them OP?

It is interesting that you post about the expense of rights of one group, whilst ignoring that changing the meaning affects the rights of another.

I also find that argument of ‘ Language lives and evolves; no one person or group has a monopoly on its terms. It largely functions as a majority agreement, varying in context and time - agreements can change. ‘ rather interesting in the current climate of the push back about colonisation and such.

It is strange and hypocritical that those declaring that language lives and evolves don’t seem to be learning from the history playing out in front of their eyes regarding when an oppressed groups language is taken from them and changes forced on them.

It is almost like they cannot recognise the history of female oppression.

Christ it's the never-ending cotton ceiling thread!

It’s a futile endeavour for them granted, but only another 150-odd posts to go & we can (hopefully) draw the curtains!

*What makes you think I'm self-destructive?
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Any woman that fails to comprehend the erosion of, and danger to, women's rights with all the claptrap you are spouting is self-destructive.

I’m more just baffled. You seem to have such ingrained, inflexible beliefs about what women are like and what men are like you can’t conceive of anyone not fitting your preconceptions.

That would be an hilarious misinterpretation, particularly of those who are gender critical Everyone is entitled to their own quirks and personalities, dress sense, whatever.

But I know what a woman is - and what a lesbian woman is. You don’t get to redefine those, no matter how baffled you claim to be and how complicated you pretend it is.

Christ it's the never-ending cotton ceiling thread!

Pansexual - do anything to anything
Bisexual - his and hers matching towels
Lesbian - women. Human females. Not penis people.

OP, it's late. Go to bed. I'm going to take my own advice. Sweet dreams

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The OP has posted nothing unreasonable and her argument is sound. This obsession with definition at the expense of another's right to define their reality is just weird. Why do some people think they have authored the dictionary? Language lives and evolves; no one person or group has a monopoly on its terms. It largely functions as a majority agreement, varying in context and time - agreements can change.

It is interesting that you post about the expense of rights of one group, whilst ignoring that changing the meaning affects the rights of another.

Whether lesbian or woman if you can't define it you can't be it. If you have to change it to suit your own agenda then that word loses meaning especially when there is already a word for it.

As for your lesbian friends, its been discussed upthread.