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ControversialOpening · 07/08/2022 16:51

I thought pansexual meant “heterosexual, but desperate to seem special”.

StillHappy · 07/08/2022 16:40

Wanderingowl · 07/08/2022 16:20

Pansexual is either a virtue signalling bisexual who wants you to know how unbiggotted they are in their attractions. Or a straight or gay person who is staying with a partner who has transed and now needs to redefine their sexuality to validate them.

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A good friend of mine had a pansexual nanny, and in her case I think it was possibly a language issue, as she seemed to be more a nymphomaniac with poor understanding of other people not being the same.

Lovely girl she was, very popular.

Artichokeleaves · 07/08/2022 16:33

Wanderingowl · 07/08/2022 16:20

Pansexual is either a virtue signalling bisexual who wants you to know how unbiggotted they are in their attractions. Or a straight or gay person who is staying with a partner who has transed and now needs to redefine their sexuality to validate them.

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Or an anxious teenager needing to signal 'please don't scream burn the witch at me', since it's a much, much safer answer than many others. It's become a polite social lie meaning 'do it to Julia'.

Wanderingowl · 07/08/2022 16:20

StillHappy · 07/08/2022 15:57

Bisexual, surely?

Pansexual, I believe, tends more to mean someone who’ll do anyone or any thing, even when sober.

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Pansexual is either a virtue signalling bisexual who wants you to know how unbiggotted they are in their attractions. Or a straight or gay person who is staying with a partner who has transed and now needs to redefine their sexuality to validate them.

WandaWomblesaurus · 07/08/2022 16:19

"I have seen various people on this forum say that to be gay or a lesbian is to be ‘exclusively same sex attracted’."

There. I've fixed it.

MrGHardy · 07/08/2022 16:15

aseriesofstillimages · 07/08/2022 12:36

I have seen various people on this forum say that to be gay or a lesbian is to be ‘exclusively same sex attracted’, and that therefore, for example, a woman who is attracted to or in a relationship with a trans woman cannot correctly describe herself as a lesbian.

Setting aside the problems with presuming to correct another person’s understanding of their own identity, I can’t see how this absolutist approach is logically sustainable. If I am a non-trans woman who has only ever - to my knowledge - been attracted to other non-trans women, but then am attracted to and get off with a woman in a bar who I subsequently find out is trans, do I immediately stop being a lesbian? What if I don’t stop finding the trans woman attractive after learning that she’s trans? What if I never find out she was trans - is it the case that I have ceased being a lesbian, but will never know this?

For the love of God, stop it with this "identity" nonsense.

Words have objective definitions. 'Identity' is subjective.

titchy · 07/08/2022 16:04

Has OP not been back then? Well
colour me surprised

StillHappy · 07/08/2022 15:57

ThorsBedazzler · 07/08/2022 15:55

There's no such human as a "non trans woman". I think you mean woman.

And same sex attraction means same sex. If you are attracted to people regardless of sex I understand that makes you pansexual.

Bisexual, surely?

Pansexual, I believe, tends more to mean someone who’ll do anyone or any thing, even when sober.

ThorsBedazzler · 07/08/2022 15:55

There's no such human as a "non trans woman". I think you mean woman.

And same sex attraction means same sex. If you are attracted to people regardless of sex I understand that makes you pansexual.

picklemewalnuts · 07/08/2022 15:50

I'm not a lesbian, so can't claim much insight. I do speak English though, and the word homosexual means same sex attracted. Lesbian means a woman attracted to women.

Many 'straight' women discover later in life that they are actually bi, when they realise they've fallen for another woman. They wouldn't claim they are still straight, I don't think.

You may come to understand yourself better as time goes on, but you use new words rather than mangling the existing ones that no longer apply to you.

StillHappy · 07/08/2022 15:47

@BootsAndRoots

There will be trans women that heterosexual males and homosexuals are attracted to,

No, there won’t. A heterosexual male is attracted to females. You are trying here to redefine a word so much that it loses all meaning.

BootsAndRoots · 07/08/2022 15:44

This is an obsession with labels.

There will be trans women that heterosexual males and homosexuals are attracted to, and they will be attracted to the feminine qualities of that individual.

But there are some bearded men, who present as men yet call themselves trans women and demand that lesbians find them attractive. No one is sexual attracted to a "gendered soul".

Decades ago gay identities didn't exist, there were just men and women who had homosexual relationships.

What does it matter what you label yourself as? How does that change your life? Unless you're one of those people who thinks sexuality defines WHO you are, not WHAT you are.

beastlyslumber · 07/08/2022 15:41

The school hols get boring so quickly, don't they?

If you're troubled by same sex attraction, that is homophobia, OP.

Helleofabore · 07/08/2022 15:38

Artichokeleaves · 07/08/2022 12:43

While you're busy deconstructing all that and adapting other people's words to match your thoughts, what word would you like those of us to use who want our word to mean 'biological female who is exclusively attracted to other biological females'?

Because you seem to have taken that away from us.

And because of your interesting thought experiments with the word you just confiscated and redefined to fit all the complexities and deconstructions, we're now being told

a) homosexuality isn't ok, it's exclusionary and like being racist
b) we're not welcome in the LGB communities we set up because we're homosexual, and need to get back in the closet because evil/wrong/shameful
c) we should 'learn to cope' with providing unwanted, unenjoyed sex to male people out of a sense of social duty, and 'unlearn our genital prejudices' - aka submit to conversion therapy to ensure female bodies are primarily about servicing male people's pleasure without looking for reciprocation. Which is basically an abusive dynamic from the start.

All of this has come from excitingly bending and stretching and rearranging homosexuality and lesbianism to fit non lesbian people's preferred images and agendas.

Have a lovely time with your thought experiments. Play with whatever labels and exciting word definitions you choose, have fun. Just can you please not shit on others while you do so. That's all.

This.

I am shocked to see OPs post. And it is pretty clear hatred of lesbian boundaries.

Namerchangerextraordinaire · 07/08/2022 15:35

Adding transpeople into the mix doesn't change reality, because they have a biological sex as every other person has.

You can be one of these things.

A biological female attracted only to biological females - you are a lesbian.

A biological female or male attracted to the opposite sex - you are heterosexual.

A biological male attracted only to biological males - you are gay.

A biological female or male attracted to both males or females - you are bisexual.

A biological female or male attracted to nobody - you are asexual.

Everything else is really one of those options trying to sound special.

It doesn't matter what identity you decide to take on, you are either a biological male or a biological female, you are either attracted to the same sex, the opposite sex, both sexes or neither.

Whatever you say you are, you are already one of the above & we already have words which do not need to be redefined.

CompleteGinasaur · 07/08/2022 15:23

Stonewall - Setting Aside the Problems with Presuming to Correct Another Person's Understanding of their Own Identity since 2015...

Wanderingowl · 07/08/2022 15:18

You aren't going to 'subsequently' find out the woman you were attracted to is trans because humans, especially women, are exceptionally good at telling apart the sexes. We do it on conscious and subconscious levels. We do it with sight, sound and smell. Our sight, alone can distinguish well enough to correctly identify the sex of a person based on their cadence as shown by points of light representing their torso and leg and arm joints. Your scenario is never, ever, ever going to happen, so it's a blatantly ridiculous strawman. Outside of specially posed and lit, and probably filtered, photographs, transwomen are always, obviously people who are biologically male.

So stop being so fucking homophobic and accept that some people are solely attracted to people of the same sex. Lesbians are only attracted to women. Setting aside the problems with presuming to correct another person’s understanding of their own identity Yes it is a problem, a big problem, so stop doing it to lesbians.

Minecraftatemychild · 07/08/2022 15:16

Artichokeleaves · 07/08/2022 12:43

While you're busy deconstructing all that and adapting other people's words to match your thoughts, what word would you like those of us to use who want our word to mean 'biological female who is exclusively attracted to other biological females'?

Because you seem to have taken that away from us.

And because of your interesting thought experiments with the word you just confiscated and redefined to fit all the complexities and deconstructions, we're now being told

a) homosexuality isn't ok, it's exclusionary and like being racist
b) we're not welcome in the LGB communities we set up because we're homosexual, and need to get back in the closet because evil/wrong/shameful
c) we should 'learn to cope' with providing unwanted, unenjoyed sex to male people out of a sense of social duty, and 'unlearn our genital prejudices' - aka submit to conversion therapy to ensure female bodies are primarily about servicing male people's pleasure without looking for reciprocation. Which is basically an abusive dynamic from the start.

All of this has come from excitingly bending and stretching and rearranging homosexuality and lesbianism to fit non lesbian people's preferred images and agendas.

Have a lovely time with your thought experiments. Play with whatever labels and exciting word definitions you choose, have fun. Just can you please not shit on others while you do so. That's all.

What @Artichokeleaves said.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 07/08/2022 15:08

Rainbowshit · 07/08/2022 13:10

So to summarise. Lesbians should suck transwomen's cocks and enjoy it coz Transwomen are women. Homophobia much.

It's almost like conversion therapy isn't it "you've just not had a relationship with the right kind of man". In this case the kind of man who wants to be a woman.

To answer the OP, is you are a lesbian who is sexually attracted to women and Transwomen then you are bisexual.

Lovelyricepudding · 07/08/2022 15:05

StillHappy · 07/08/2022 15:02

Does anyone know why my polite, factual post pointing out the sex of trans women was deleted?

Given it has been determined that 'sex is immutable' is a protected belief then MN can't possibly have deleted you for a protected manifestation of that belief could they 🤔?

mumda · 07/08/2022 15:03

If you don't like man c&ck why would you like "woman" c&ck.

StillHappy · 07/08/2022 15:02

Does anyone know why my polite, factual post pointing out the sex of trans women was deleted?

Lovelyricepudding · 07/08/2022 15:01

Funnily enough these thought experiments never seem to involve 'lesbian' transwomen mistakenly hooking up with other 'lesbian' transwomen.

TheWeeDonkey · 07/08/2022 14:48

A d while we're at it what the fuck is a "non trans woman"?

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 07/08/2022 14:44

In real life I don't think transwomen do 'pass' as biological women - even though people don't go around pointing this out.

A thought-experiment where a lesbian (a same-sex attracted woman) falls for a trans-woman sounds like version of a popular male fantasy. (Surely, being attracted to a male body would make her hetrosexual or bi ?)