Concept of ‘exclusively same sex attracted’

"What if I never find out she was trans?"
Delusional much? An open frontal surgery wound not only looks and smells differently than a vagina, it is also in the wrong place. Even if you couldn't tell because of the larger hands, the Adam's apple, the coarser skin, and the deeper voice you would definitely be able to tell when the clothes came off.

In the area of what?

Denying homosexuality?
Removing lesbians rights to define themselves?
Convincing lesbians they just haven't had the right 🍆 yet?

Also, what the OP is labelling as "trans inclusion" I would label as "homophobia and rape culture". Labels matter.

God help us all.

who are always claiming there are many more, too afraid to speak out - but I’ve seen no evidence to support that.

Look at the crowdfunders for GC cases, the huge increase in FWR traffic over the last decade, the number of letters to MPs and media resulting in this becoming a big story.

This is a niche issue so these large numbers of engaged people represent the tip of the iceberg- most people do not believe men can literally become women. They don't go on about it in much the same way that most people don't bring up the fact they believe the earth is round.

No, they shouldn’t put honey in the food of the vegans who don’t eat honey.

Then hold that thought, and the rest of what you wrote, too. I'm very glad you said all that, but a surprising number of people would tell you it's transphobic. Some people would say it was transphobic even if the transwomen didn't pass because transwomen are women, and if they don't pass as women, well, they're just extending the definition of what a woman is.

Though I am not convinced that "passing" as a woman physically is a thing, not once you get close enough for sexual intimacy. With or without surgery there are physical differences that would be hard to hide.

As pp have said, it's ridiculous to suggest that lesbians are "biological females or males with a GRC attracted to biological females or males with a GRC", because having a GRC is simply based on a stupid, unworkable law is completely arbitrary and has no bearing on appearance, presentation, presence or lack of a penis.

How gracious you are!

I find it interesting that you haven’t addressed the long and inglorious history of creepy men trying to persuade lesbians that their particular dick is the one they want, and explained why no transwomen actively pursuing relationships with lesbians fall into this category?

any chance you could touch on this point?

Us simple people who are working a regular 9-5 job and just trying to feed our kids can’t really afford to risk being canceled can we? If it happens to a celeb they probably have a savings, a plan to sell a book, record or whatever or they have an entire team of people there to clean up the mess. What safety net do we have? Homeless shelters…

Bloody hell. Still banging on about how to legally get males into lesbians pants.

It doesn't matter how many words you drown it in, we can all still see it.

Indeed, I mean, given that the trans response is to welcome some critical and robust debate, in a spirit of academic discussion, I just can’t work out why anyone would hide their light under a bushel on this.

Well, quite

It's a total mystery why gender critical feminists wouldn't make themselves known.

Yep!

I don't talk about this stuff at work because it's too big a risk.

am aware of a much smaller number of GC people, who are always claiming there are many more, too afraid to speak out - but I’ve seen no evidence to support that.

Sorry to tell you we are everywhere 😂

*accommodated

Because either people who are need to be included in that or a change in law is needed to accompany them.

@aseriesofstillimages do you believe that there is no such thing as being only attracted to the same biological sex as you?

@aseriesofstillimages Every, single, trainer from FDA has been a white 50+ bloke.

Not enough experienced women around?

Or pure, ingrained left-wing union man misogyny?

Unions have ALL swallowed this crap, so what? Handmaidens happy to allow men in women's spaces on behalf of all women for a pat on the back and crumbs off the table don't prove anything.

Once again, those are the explanatory notes, they are not part of the legislation. The term lesbian does not appear anywhere in the legislation, so it cannot be defined there.

The entirety of trans male entitlement to lesbian women's spaces is based on this and similar extrapolations.

@aseriesofstillimages I wouldn't touch FDA with a barge pole, full of white men of a certain age, chasing woke cookies. What a joke using their conference as an example of a prevailing mood!

You're only aware of the brace ones. I'm not out yet, but am gearing up and waiting for a right moment. I think CS HR are not actually stupid, and have been quietly and effectively dealing with this crap for years. They've now been empowered by the stated Government position.

It is not a job of disgruntled civil servants to wage a war against the Ministers they ideologically disagree. The activists in CS do not have any real support or engagement, I've been in those meetings, they're awful-everyone just nods along in fear, with some woke 25-yr old 'queer' in het relationship provides the chorus.