Concept of ‘exclusively same sex attracted’

I’m just so done with this crap, I can’t believe we need to have this conversation.
Lesbians are same sex attracted that is a fact.
A lesbian who finds herself shagging a male is no longer a lesbian by definition, and no I don’t buy the ‘a woman knows her own sexuality and can label it however she wants’ bollocks, because she very clearly doesn’t! you can’t just identify however you please and expect everyone to pretend with you, words have meaning ffs.

Sincerely
a fed up lesbian.

Oli London is even better example- someone who surgically changed his phenotype to something passable for Korean( in his mind at least).

So if his phenotype is 'Asian' now, and he identifies as Korean, is he?

Similarly to a man surgically attempting to resemble female phenotype, and identifying as women, are they?

I don't think Koreans are rolling out a red carpet to welcome Oli into the community, such bigots!

I am going to point out your word salad again

who correctly consider themselves to be Black there are definitions that you can look up but you will always find gray areas when you use words like "consider".

By your definition of "correct" Rachel Dolezal is black as that is what she identifies as.

Why is it always race that gets dragged into this and not say disabled or age? Age, like sex, is a clear definition. You can identify as a 20 year old, but based on your date of birth, you either are or aren't.
Same for sex, you are male or female. Sexual orientation is based on the sex of people involved. Clear definition.
Disabled: you need to meet a set of criteria to be qualified as disabled. You can identify as disabled, but don't qualify, bad luck.

Race: not that clear cut as you can descend from multiple races and races aren't defined in most laws. So you can identify as black ifyou want, legally there aren't really any criteria. Which is probably why transactivists resort to the race argument, it is the most vague one.

As to comparison with race - yes, race is much, much harder to define, as mixed-race children have existed, always, unlike 'mixed-sex' children ( and no, DSDs are not 'mixed-sex').

@aseriesofstillimages I'm bisexual and am in a long-term straight relationship. There's no discrimination that I experience now.

I don't think it helps anyone to try and judge anyone from a personal sexuality point of view, like you appear to be doing.

Heterosexual and homosexual people have a right to their own sexuality - not identity, sexuality. Your gay friend seems to have biphobic tendencies-if he's happy to also sleep with females then he's bisexual, nothing flipping wrong with it!

Aren't you a bit offended at all these friends of yours seemingly denying the perfect validity of bisexuality?

Not saying you're lying, just that when it comes down to it most gay men would balk at it. As I said, exclusive single sex attraction isn't something you appear to understand.

But he also said that he could find trans men attractive

It also sounds a bit "chinny reckon", frankly.

I was saying how, as a bisexual, I find it hard to imagine how straight or gay people can know they will never, in the whole course of their life, fall for someone of the same/opposite sex.

All I'm getting is that as a bisexual who is theoretically not ruling any sex or gender identity out of your dating pool you find it hard to grasp how other people's sexuality works, and don't really understand what it is to be lesbian, gay or straight.

He was saying that his identity as a gay man is important to him, and part of that is the ability to say he will never find a woman sexually attractive, and for that to be believed. But he also said that he could find trans men attractive, because what is attractive to him about men does not hinge on genitals - it’s things like the hairy body and face, the six pack, deep voice.

All your friends and colleagues seem to be genderists though so you are in a filter bubble. Anecdotally and through the limited research carried out, it isn't typical of gay men to fancy female people of any gender identity.

I think it's your own bisexuality that's giving you your blind spot here. Maybe stop trying to redefine categories which aren't yours that other people need to be meaningful?

It is a strawman argument but I can. Can you?

aseriesofstillimages

Just to add to this, there would also be (and has been) a massive kick back against those that identify as being a black person and are not a black person.

Can you give a comprehensive definition of what it means to be Black?

Can you be more specific as "means to be black" is a term that varies from black person to black person (using your terminology). As would what it means to be a woman varies from woman to woman.

I can however define what a black person is in the same way that I can define what a woman is, a lesbian is, a gay man is, a heterosexual person is and a Bi person is.

Wouldn’t it make more sense, rather than trying to pin down and set in stone the boundaries of different categories of sexuality,

In law the definition of a thing (in this case the sex of a person) is very important. By changing the meaning of the word you can in some/most cases be changing the meaning of the law.

And as has been proved on here the meaning of a word also has an impact on people at a direct and personal level.

I am also going to point out that in order to be something you have to be able to define it.

I find it a strange assumption that some make - and I think OP is making here - that the meaning of words as applied to yourself should be somehow more under your control than that of objective observers.

Yes people might hesitate to tell you you were describing yourself inaccurately, out of politeness. Up until you start demanding access to resources or spaces on the basis of your false identification.

I can identify as a brilliant driver all I like but if I actually failed my driving test I'll get in trouble if I head out onto the road without L plates. And if lots of people do it then actual qualified drivers will start talking about the problems of unlicensed drivers and what they're doing to insurance costs.

Watching my words very carefully here.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if this scenario went to court.

There have already been several cases where transmen have been found guilty of sexual assault because they have used a fake penis to have sex with a heterosexual woman.

Would a transwoman be found guilty of sexual assault for kissing and groping a lesbian without her consent, which she cannot fully give unless she knows that the person is a biological man.

We already know that the TRAs would consider this OK as a TWAW.

Right on my Sapphic Sister!

what about "Nothing about us without us"
Suddenly it doesn't apply to Lesbians?

Bisexual Op; stay in your lane
and stop with propagandizing lesbians to like c*ck

And for every woman here, take a deep breath and repeat after me
NO!
"I have strong social and sexual boundaries and stop this minute your attempts to erode them."

Part of your OP was about a chat and a kiss, not all of it. OK if I were 100% straight, chatted up a transman in a bar and had a bit of a snog, no i don't think it would mean I was bisexual. Transmen do pass better than transwomen* so I guess it's possible. If I got as far as sex, and was still aroused, then I think that would mean I was bisexual.

*Not the ones I know tbf but I do see that I don't know that many.

The only nonbinary person I know is my friend's husband and father of their two children. She's only ever been attracted to men. Did she become pansexual when her husband came out as NB? I don't think so myself.

So. Let me see if I've got this right. As a lifelong (just turned 60, been at this for awhile now), 100% on the Kinsey scale lesbian I've got extensive experience of the many and varied methods employed by men to attempt to 'overcome the Cotton Ceiling', so let's see if this one's any more interesting.

Op isn't lesbian, but on the basis of
a) an extremely convoluted and frankly impossible thought experiment,
b) deliberate misinterpretation of a law that was unfit for purpose from its inception and desperately overdue for reform and
c)the personal preferences and hurty feels of her bisexual friend and her biologically male partner I'm supposed to accept not only the redefinition of my sexuality and identity but also the right of biological males to insert themselves (sic) into my 'dating pool'.
Well no. No logic, no evidence and definitely no skin in the game.
3/10. Must try harder.

For myself the immediate concern would not even be about the surgeries it would be the fact that they’ve lied about a huge part of themselves to me. I’m the type of person that when I fall in love I share every aspect of myself to that person. Childhood right up to present day. If they can’t be honest as I am honest about myself then that would be a huge betrayal of trust in my opinion. Also if it’s a ftm trans person then they would leave me to believe that they can have children and then leave me to stress trying to figure out why it’s not working and thinking it’s me that is the problem I would never ever forgive them. Even if they simply said they are infertile but did not explain why. That is the most horrible thing to do to a person. A natural born male being infertile there is a small chance of infertility and creating a child. A trans man having a child with me a a guaranteed 0% chance. So the argument that some men are infertile is stupid to me. I hate that argument. It is so self absorbed and thoughtless.