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Raab to block males from female prison estate?

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ResisterRex · 06/08/2022 19:46

This may be on the cards:

twitter.com/noxyinxxprisons/status/1555956326060249089?s=21&t=bhepGueyTNu0MOGhYNTNEw

www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/209515/raab-block-male-trans-prisoners-from-womens-jails

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felulageller · 06/08/2022 21:24

About bloody time!

ResisterRex · 06/08/2022 21:00

If the plans are that a Minister (Raab) has to sign off a move of a male into the female estate then is that more solid than a change of policy position? At first it sounded not. But then I thought that - when we get a Labour government (and surely we will at some point, law of averages and all that) - it means they will have to publicly account for saying yes. If that's their decision in the future, of course.

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Namerchangerextraordinaire · 06/08/2022 20:52

There should be no circumstances where any male is housed in the female estate.

House them all together in one place in the male estate, or let them serve their time mixed in with the rest of their natal sex, but not a one of them belongs in a womens prison & the same goes for how their crimes are recorded.

Trans crimes are not womens crimes unless committed by a female who is presenting as male.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 06/08/2022 20:49

Good.

MarshaBradyo · 06/08/2022 20:48

Great

Hoardasurass · 06/08/2022 20:47

Does anyone know if this is just going to effect England or will it be UK wide?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/08/2022 20:30

As the government have presided over this shit show, unravelling the harm seems the least Raab can do.

achillestoes · 06/08/2022 20:07

Lisa Nandy will be having kittens.

achillestoes · 06/08/2022 20:00

Cautiously.... yes! This is the result of heroic work to point out the grotesque and obvious injustice of women being locked up by a State that refused to do the simplest thing to stop them being raped.

Yes!!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 06/08/2022 19:59

Last year, it was revealed there were 40 transgender prisoners in women’s prisons in England and Wales. Almost all of those were born male.

According to Sex Matters:

There are around 3,800 women in prison in England and Wales (under 5% of the prison population). Women tend to have committed significantly fewer serious violent offences or sexual offences than men.

sex-matters.org/where-sex-matters/prisons/

iirc, it's previously been unknown whether the only transgender people in cross sex estates that can be counted are those who do not have a GRC.

It will be interesting to see if either the use of this policy by Ministers or the legal challenges come to pass.

The whistleblower at Bronzefield, the UK’s largest women’s prison with 527 inmates, said: ‘Every time there is a transgender male-to-female with a male organ brought into the prison the female prisoners are extremely uncomfortable and upset. But the women prisoners don’t feel they can complain because they think nothing will be done.’

A Government source said Mr Raab’s new policy will have to be signed off by Cabinet once a new Prime Minister is installed. It’s likely to face legal challenges from pro-trans campaigners and human rights lawyers. But if it gets the green light then an inmate in a men’s prison will only be allowed to switch to a women’s jail if a Minister authorises the move.