Raab to block males from female prison estate?

I'd bloody love some journalist to do their job and say yes, you have one trans constituent. But you want to run the whole country so what about the 51% of the population?

Nandy did back track a bit in an interview with someone (can't remember who) it was a one on one YouTube type thing but Nandy then did the squirrel manoeuvre blathering on about her young trans constituent.

Might slow down the rise of 'prison onset gender dysphoria' if there was no chance ever of being placed in the female estate. It would be interesting to see.

‘Because she's either thick as mince, or so breathtakingly callous that I wouldn't trust her to push shopping trolleys round a car park.’

It’s callousness. She doesn’t care at all about legitimate female discomfort.

Well it is only two hundred years since Elizabeth Fry campaigned for it

Jesus wept.
Next they’ll be locking up pedophiles up somewhere there are children… oh wait.

And I hope it will one day be the torpedo that destroyed her political credibility for ever.

Because she's either thick as mince, or so breathtakingly callous that I wouldn't trust her to push shopping trolleys round a car park.

@GingerPCatt

Nandy did just that.

I really hope this goes through. But I think just bringing the issue up and making the general public aware is a step in the right direction.

I want politicians to have to stand up and declare that, yes, they think that male bodied people should be locked in cells with female bodied people, most of whom have experienced rape, sexual assault, and abuse from male bodied people. Say out loud that they are OK with locking rapists up with women.

The significant explosion in numbers, especially of trans sex offenders, means that it's now realistic to provide a specialist resource, well away from women.

Getting the law changed is vital on this issue. Currently it is lawful to house males in the female estate, which is grossly unfair to women. Even the female prisoner who bought a case against the government was told it was legal, though perhaps not desirable. I hope we end up in a position where womens prisons are truly single sex, no males no matter what surgeries they’ve had done, hormones they’re taking etc.

So if it could be challenged as an issue for the human rights of the trans, why cannot the human rights of the women be a counter issue? After all the women are supposedly human, aren't they?

I’ve written to my labour mp a few times and stated quite clearly I am now a single issue voter and I won’t vote for labour unless it changes its position on women rights.

first response was some guff about protecting everyone’s right blah blah blah. Second response was more circumspect. He’s reading Trans over the summer.

Yes.

How about that!!

All those posts over the past few years saying ‘this is a niche issue’, ‘it is not a priority’, ‘it is not time’, No one is interested in these issues, it isn’t brought up on doorstops or at surgeries.

Well, I guess it must be time.

And this issue will not fit back into the bottle people tried to keep sealed tight. If these two candidates are discussing these issues consistently in their campaigns, labour and LD party can no longer avoid them. The Labour and LD party will be having to rewrite their campaigning strategies for next general election.

They need to go in a vulnerable prisoners wing of a men’s prison.
Imagine being locked in a cell or having to share shower/toilets with a man. Its idiotic, and the tax payer pays the price when the woman quite rightly sues for rape/assault.

What it shows I think is that it is a vote winner. Which is very important.

telegraph and daily mail etc readers seem to often have a very odd dissonance when it comes to women rights - very happy to be incredibly sexist at times but ultimately with things like womens safety seem to take quite a clear line. It I think often comes from a conservative view of “protecting our women” but honestly ultimately that is better than the absolute abandonment of womens rights and protections by the so called left

The insider said the killer had allegedly been overheard saying ‘I’m going to f* you’ to one prisoner, and on another occasion said: ‘I love p*y – why would I want to be in a man’s prison?’

Quite. Why indeed?

Surely there cant be many people left unable to see this for what it is?

What an achievement by KPSS. Fantastic work.

This decision shouldn't be made by a minister because that makes women's single sex prison space a political issue. So it would remain single sex under a Tory government (for the moment) and be a free for all under a Labour govt.

A separate area with guards who are trained in whatever issues are relevant to that prison population should be established. It could be a world leader in terms of treating trans prisoners with dignity and conducting research into that groups recidivism rates, violence or self harm rates etc - whatever is studied in other prison groups - so that issues specific that population in prison can be addressed. It could be very beneficial to trans prisoners, instead of their issues being enveloped within other groups.

And it would not be contained on any part of the women's estate. If it's within an established prison it should be part of the male estate.

Because males were housed (unsuccessful, it appears) into the female estate, young women had to be housed in the male estate?

There should be no circumstances where any male is housed in the female estate.

Agreed.

More on Downview from KPSS. E wing now appears to be mixed sex, some female inmates chose to move there to shield during COVID which means that high risk trans prisoners with a GRC are being housed in the female prison estate. They are still not being risk assessed using male risk assessment criteria because they are recorded as female prisoners. KPSS also points out that resources allocated for female prisoners are being spent on males.

kpssinfo.org/the-transgender-unit-e-wing/

I thought the government already introduced trans wings into the prison system?

Richard Garside
''Had the prison service not decided to turn the Josephine Butler Unit at Downview into a unit to hold male prisoners, it could have been an option to house young female prisoners. But instead they are being housed in a male young offender institution.''
twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1420671069221007363

@Namerchangerextraordinaire
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I thought the government already introduced trans wings into the prison system?

If they can't maintain SSE in the prison system, God knows where they think it can be.