Raab to block males from female prison estate?

I agree a blanket ban on any and all male prisoners even those with a GRC from being placed in the female prison estate, no ifs, buts, maybes just a flat out NO. Separate wing(s) or buildings within the male prison estate is where they should go.

However, putting it the way Raab has whereby a named Government Minister has to personally sign it off, put their name to it publicly and justify it to the public could be a step that works. Ministers of whatever Party that is in Government are also MP's and would have to face their own constituents and the electorate at large and explain and justify why they did so, especially if the prisoner then went on to assault females within the female prison estate - I seriously can't imagine any of them willing to do that. The MSM would be like a dog with a bone about it too.

And let's not forget that over 90% of male trans prisoners are accommodated in the male estate without problems - revealed in the recent HoL debate. So there was no need for a single male to have been transferred to women's prisons in the first place. GRC or not.

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Respect away. Salute them, gold plate the facilities, drape the place with Pride Flags, gronda to the bloody aspidistra by all means. Just don't lock them in enclosed spaces with non consenting females. I'm positive that can be respectfully avoided.

This kind of thing is said by the type of person that at some point probably didn't treat trans people with respect, and is now having to make a point of doing so.

Of course we have to treat transgender prisoners with respect,

Why is this nonsense line always parroted? Are they saying only trans prisoners should be treated with respect? What about other prisoners? Either treat all prisoners with respect or none of them, stop singling out one particular type of prisoner for respect.

This is the issue I feel most strongly about and the press rarely talk about it, it's an abomination that a male penis could rape and then be placed with vulnerable females. In America where children are been fathered, where is the safe guarding? It's madness.

Of course we have to treat transgender prisoners with respect,

'Respect' does not include 'right of access to non consenting vulnerable females' ffs.

It is perfectly possible to treat TQ+ male prisoners with respect without treating female prisoners as a resource those male prisoners have an entitlement to.

It would be nice if 'respect' was actually a form of treatment aspired to by government ministers in the treatment of female prisoners too. Because currently male people: the issue they want help with is limiting their freedom of choice and placing boundaries on the exercising of their chosen gender identity. Female people? They'd just like to not be forcibly subjected to being intimidated and assaulted by male prisoners please.

Freedom of self actualisation vs not being raped. Seriously. And in considering whether we perhaps ought to not let those women get raped, we have to wring our hands about whether protecting them disrespects male prisoners?

At what point is this screaming binary sexism going to dawn on these supposedly intelligent people? This is sex based thinking. Binary sex based thinking. No one anywhere in this situation believes these male people are women. Women don't get this kind of consideration!

Agree

But does anyone know more about this?

In what way can it be challenged and by whom

I completely agree @sashagabadon.

I too don’t think this should be a ministerial decision as a future labour government could have no issues with saying yes and this shouldn’t be an issue that changes every four years. It should be a blanket no imo. A separate prison could work.
politicising this means it’ll just be fought over continually and a culture war talking point. It shouldn’t be, it should just be a clear policy not one that changes with each change of government or even within the same government with reshuffle.

Does anyone know how many trans women are in the female estate?

If a future decision is made to house males with females, that politician will have to own it.

Think you're being a wee bit optimistic there @ResisterRex. Politicians rarely own any of their fuck ups. I'd like the politicians responsible for the housing of over 40 male bodied folk in women's prisons today, own it.

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This is the crux of the problem with the EA2010, excellent piece of legislation in many ways, that discrimination on the grounds of sex is lawful in certain circumstances but not mandatory. That's why the MoJ policy is lawful - they may discriminate but they don't have to.

Yep.

Yes!

Yes, I want someone to ask Nandy this in every interview. She’s a possible Home Secretary. We need to know this.

Exactly.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2515951105311963

This is the one, I think @achillestoes

Of course no journalist ever puts the tough question as to why Nandy's one trans constituent means that paedophile rapists should be placed in the female prison estate if they decide they are women.

It's high time journalists did their jobs and held people like Nandy to account for her utterances. The interview I'm talking about the interviewer didn't it was the usual crap.

I'll see if I can find it @achillestoes it was around the time of the GE 2019 I think, it was posted on here.

The backtrack was minimal Nandy segued immediately into her poor trans constituent waffle.

‘Nandy did back track a bit in an interview with someone (can't remember who) it was a one on one YouTube type thing’

Did she? In what way?