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How did breast become such a scary word for trans people?

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JellySaurus · 06/08/2022 15:32

Breasts. All humans have them. There are essential similarities between all breasts, but they vary in shape, size and function. The biggest differences are caused by sex and puberty.

Hips. All humans have them. There are essential similarities between all pelvic girdles, but they vary in shape, size and function. The biggest differences are caused by sex and puberty.

Why is breasts a taboo word? Why isn't hips a taboo word?

Who decided that breast was a taboo word?

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JellySaurus · 07/08/2022 12:56

For the trans people I know, Breast is not a bad word. Of course everyone has one.

Only one, Mishy? 🤣

Careful, your misogyny is showing.

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mrshoho · 07/08/2022 11:58

More a case that media has woken up to the absurdity of the demands of gender ideologists who pushed for gender neutral language changes. Laughable that you attempt to say it's all just media spin.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 07/08/2022 11:54

Oh, Mishy.

MishyJDI · 07/08/2022 11:49

JellySaurus · 06/08/2022 15:32

Breasts. All humans have them. There are essential similarities between all breasts, but they vary in shape, size and function. The biggest differences are caused by sex and puberty.

Hips. All humans have them. There are essential similarities between all pelvic girdles, but they vary in shape, size and function. The biggest differences are caused by sex and puberty.

Why is breasts a taboo word? Why isn't hips a taboo word?

Who decided that breast was a taboo word?

For the trans people I know, Breast is not a bad word. Of course everyone has one. It's media spinning adding inclusive language to the base words, that is causing a moral panic, when there simply isnt one.

But hey, it get's the clicks in for the Sunday papers. A bit like the EU banning the British sausage. What a laugh that was.

In essence. A non-issue.

sashh · 07/08/2022 11:26

StillHappy · 06/08/2022 15:42

Maybe this is a language thing, but in terms of everyday usage, is it normal to describe a man’s chest as “breasts”?

I’ve not heard that, and thought it was only used to describe women’s chests, and the odd unfortunate male abuser of steroids.

Brest plate?
Brest bone?
Brest pocket?
Single and double breasted suits?
Breastroke?

Men have breast tissue and can get breast cancer.

mrshoho · 07/08/2022 11:16

Because heaven forbid a transman who having just gone through one of the most womanly of things of giving birth may be misgendered and feel his masculinity is at threat. We won't talk about the elephant in the room that they are infact still a woman. The clue midwife:with woman gives the game away.

AprilRae91 · 07/08/2022 11:00

The phrase ‘chest feeding’ makes me cringe. I don’t think I’d need to deny my breasts were breasts if I were a trans person feeding my baby

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 07/08/2022 10:40

TullyApplebottom · 06/08/2022 22:14

Because the word breast is sexualised by males, and these people think that women = things that are sexualised by males.
because they’re sexist idiots.

Yup, that’s it in a nutshell.

BlossomsOnATree · 07/08/2022 10:32

(I can’t bear “boobs” either tbh - breasts are beautiful things and it’s a nice word. “Boobs” is a silly comedy word with a stupid sound.)

I do know what you mean and actually I think I say boobs, and in fact say it in a silly comedy way, because I find “breasts” squirmy too. Not breastfeeding and I’m happy to say that, and I am not on board with “chestfeeding” Hmm at all. But“breasts” brings to my mind awful cheesy erotica like you get in bad novels. Heroines whose breasts are silhouetted in the moonlight or who stare at themselves in the mirror and lament their out-of-control “curls” and overly large breasts and hope someone will love them one day 🤮

it’s a bit like vagina and all its alternatives - there’s nothing I really like and everything seems awkward in one way or another. I think I am carrying a lot of baggage about it all as a CSA survivor.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/08/2022 08:04

I do understand it is a difficult word because what happens at puberty is so difficult. To me the word even has a connotation of sprouting because of the consonant followed by ‘r’.

‘Chest-feeding’ is awful though.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/08/2022 07:56

Luke 18:13

King James Bible

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

StillHappy · 07/08/2022 00:27

DdraigGoch · 06/08/2022 22:59

How about "breastplate" in reference to armour?

Yes, I suppose so.

MangyInseam · 07/08/2022 00:23

I think it's probably because breasts are about the biggest symbol or sign of female sexuality in our culture.

Which is not totally awful, it's probably inevitable that human beings will notice each other sexually and different cultures will emphasize different symbols of that. But we exaggerate it a lot more than is probably healthy.

As a result whatever people are having some kind of issue with themselves as sexually differentiated humans, that's one of the things they end up focusing on, either as a source of trouble or as something required to embody womanhood.

Pallisers · 07/08/2022 00:04

Because the word breast is sexualised by males, and these people think that women = things that are sexualised by males.

yes this. Sadly this.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/08/2022 23:31

5zeds · 06/08/2022 22:32

I’d think “chicken” if you said “breast”🤷🏻‍♀️

So breastfeeding is dinner at Nando's?Grin

DdraigGoch · 06/08/2022 22:59

StillHappy · 06/08/2022 20:03

Is it used outside that context though? I don’t think I’ve heard a man’s chest called a breast.

How about "breastplate" in reference to armour?

5zeds · 06/08/2022 22:32

I’d think “chicken” if you said “breast”🤷🏻‍♀️

theclangersarecoming · 06/08/2022 22:29

For teenage girls in particular, it makes more sense if you think of it as analogous to certain kinds of eating disorder - where the objective for many girls was partly to erase the bodily evidence of adult female, fertile sexuality — the breasts being both evidence of that and objects for the male gaze.

It’s the denial and minimising of female sexuality in particular, which gender identity issues in teenage girls seem to share with anorexia most specifically. This is also often something shared across issues arising from neurodivergence, trauma or abuse — a repression of female sexuality.

For TW, I agree that the ambivalence about breast is linked to the wish to divorce them from their practical purpose in breastfeeding, but highlight the breasts as sexual objects that are important in a fetishised idea of femininity, but as visual objects on display rather than sources of subjective pleasure, fulfilment or feeding a child. Their sexual use in this context is to look sexy, not to provide bodily pleasure as a biological woman’s breasts would do for her.

I also hate the word “titties” - so abjectly juvenile. (I can’t bear “boobs” either tbh - breasts are beautiful things and it’s a nice word. “Boobs” is a silly comedy word with a stupid sound.)

TullyApplebottom · 06/08/2022 22:14

Because the word breast is sexualised by males, and these people think that women = things that are sexualised by males.
because they’re sexist idiots.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 06/08/2022 22:12

Breast stroke?

JellySaurus · 06/08/2022 22:07

Chicken breast? Duck breast? 😄

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ErrolTheDragon · 06/08/2022 22:04

I don't know about Robin... birds really should have chests not breasts as they're not mammals.Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 06/08/2022 22:02

JellySaurus · 06/08/2022 20:32

The use of breast for the front of a man's chest has decreased outside poetic language, but it is still used indirectly in terms such as single- and double-breasted jacket, breaststroke, breastbone and breastplate (armour). Can we include Robin Red-Breast in the list?

In hymns/gospel songs , Jesus and Abraham had bosoms.

JellySaurus · 06/08/2022 20:32

The use of breast for the front of a man's chest has decreased outside poetic language, but it is still used indirectly in terms such as single- and double-breasted jacket, breaststroke, breastbone and breastplate (armour). Can we include Robin Red-Breast in the list?

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IStandWithMaya · 06/08/2022 20:15

Of course men have breasts. Biological men can get breast cancer, hence have breasts. 'Chest-feeding' is a ridiculous term and should be banned.

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