Transwoman in the changing room at school pool

What is fully transitioned?

Because again, you are gatekeeping transitioned status here. It is transphobic to do so.

One person's fully transitioned may very well differ from someone else's. You don't need much evidence to get a GRC and there will be no genital inspectors at any door (and nor should their be).

And if someone has fully transitioned?

It’s quite impossible and that’s the difficulty.

Would you be ok with a trans man in your changing room?

This is just going round in circles.

Karen White is a true TW.

Barbie Kardashian is a true TW.

What are you on about....?

Well all I can tell you is that my teenage boy refuses to use mixed sex toilets (I mean the ones that were single sex but have been rebadged) so I'd guess so

Because the answer is transphobic and those posters are very well aware that their answers would be considered transphobic.

To police whether someone is truly trans or not is very hateful and discriminatory and the very definition of transphobia. It is gatekeeping trans people and their identities.

I think it is! Anyways, I've asked and asked and asked how one can tell the true transwoman apart from a not true transwoman and, no surprises here, answer came there none.

Because a true transwoman is no more a threat than any other woman! That’s the whole point.

Is that a deliberate invocation of No True Scotsman?

I'm confused. Are you referring to me and when did I say literally anything about lesbians at any point in the thread?

Are you getting me confused with someone else?

Of course they can't.

Out of interest (genuine interest) are there similar instances of female to male trans individuals using male changing rooms? I read an awful lot of m-f using female change facilities and would be interested to know if this is also an issue for that group?

Would men find it difficult to share facilities with a biological female?

I should caveat that I'm appreciative of the rates of sexual abuse perpetrators being higher from male side.

Of course they can't.

Typo ... Dream says lesbians CAN be sexual predators.

Most men aren't a threat.

But they aren't permitted to be in single sex female only spaces.

So how do we know which trans women are there with good intentions and which aren't?

And how can that be policed?

Can you give examples of posters saying trans women are disgusting or creepy please?

Dreamweaver is a raging lesbophobe who seems to be saying that if the lezzies can be considered women, so can any man. That if lesbians can be in a changing room, so can any man. Then Dream followed up by saying it's disgusting to consider these men sexual predators because lesbians cannot be sexual predators. Dream throws lesbians completely under the bus and us lesbians are fucking sick of people like you.

Yes me too, completely genuinely.

I may rewatch some of the debates that have previously informed my opinion and see how things seem different now.

Dreamwhisper, would you mind sharing which debates you had watched that helped you reach your previous opinion please? I am genuinely interested in understanding what is convincing to people on either side of the debate. And if there is some convincing arguments that had been put forward that you have seen, I am interested to see them if you feel inclined to share.

Have you not heard of mixed changing areas? I have used several and people (men, women, children and trans) all use cubicles.

This isn't a mixed changing area, please read the thread.

@ToppCat If mixed sex changing rooms are so amazing, why can't a tw change in the male section. Apart from the fact you obviously haven't read the thread, what you are saying is illogical: females are at no risk if they change with males BUT some males are at risk if they change with males. Zero sense.

Thanks for the kind words from posters since my last post.

It has actually been a pretty difficult journey. Both issues are issues that matter a lot to me and there are trans public figures that I admire and respect. The only heated debate me and my partner have really got into is over this. We are both very similar in our political and social views but a lot of progressive people in the public eye that we share most views on, have a very hard line TWAW attitude.

But ultimately, even disregarding any transphobic ideas, it just doesn't seem to make sense in the end. I may rewatch some of the debates that have previously informed my opinion and see how things seem different now.

Perhaps you could read this thread.

Have you not heard of mixed changing areas? I have used several and people (men, women, children and trans) all use cubicles. There is never a problem and no-one is interested in the other pool users. Oh and the showers are mixed too. I don’t know what you think is going to happen to your mother. Trans women also need somewhere to change and privacy and are entitled to protection. I suggest forcing them to use men’s changing rooms wouldn’t necessarily be safe for them.

Also, it's not just about risk, it's also about respecting women's privacy and dignity, and the respite from harassment and being stared at by males.

No-one hates transwomen.

The trope about being born in the wrong body is no longer used for very good reasons, no-one is born in the wrong body.

All humans do matter, it also matters what some humans are attempting to do to other humans.

If transwomen had an iota of empathy they would know that their demands to access female only spaces causes issues for the females within those spaces and would look to find alternatives.

It never ceases to amaze that men - transwomen are men - insist that they are too afraid/uncomfortable to use the spaces and services allocated to them on the basis of their sex but disregard totally women who cannot use their own spaces when TW are in there because they feel afraid/uncomfortable. Selfish misogyny on crack.

Either woman are human and deserving of basic consideration or they are not - which is it @BiscuitLover3678 ? Or do only some humans count?