Transwoman in the changing room at school pool

Fabulous! Now please help draft the letter! Because I don't want this poor lady asking the wrong questions when all she wants is to voice her concern!

So what should she write that will help the organising understand why she's worried?

Sorry OP, missed the part about there being another place for them to get changed/lock stuff away. Ignore that part of my post 😂

But what if offering 'dignity' to someone in the precise manner they demand (a male demanding access to women's communal changing rooms for example) makes me feel undignified?

why is that man's need for dignity more important than mine?

Well if this person has a penis they are definitely not a woman are they?

Maybe the person feels more safe in a group of ladies in their 70s and feels THEY will not be attacked?!

Women aren't human shields for males. We aren't put on the earth to make life easier or more comfortable for male people.

It's a tricky situation. I am in almost all cases completely supportive of trans men and women. However, I think I would feel a tad uncomfortable in this situation.
They do deserve a space where they can go to get a locker or get changed, but on the other hand sexual violence is a hugely common scenario. Women should not always have to be the ones to make sure everyone's feelings are pandered to before their own.
Maybe they could have a third set of changing rooms? I don't know if that's actually possible and it could be a silly suggestion. I'm just thinking out loud. Because if I were a trans man who still had a womens anatomy, I wouldn't feel comfortable in the mens changing room. But then where would I go?

You literally are allowed to say you are uncomfortable that trans women are in the space that you use.

But the organisation do not have to honour or act on your complaint. It is possible that they can though. So if you really feel so strongly then you can complain, and then they can decide and use guidance as to whether it's appropriate or not to change their policy.

It's pretty transparent.

Eh? You seem to be saying that the EA doesn't allow for males to be excluded from women's changing rooms.

@MishyJDI "This is a high bar".

What rubbish! There is no "high bar".

Perhaps read subsection 6 of Schedule 3, section 27 of the Equality Act 2010?

"(6)The condition is that—
(a)the service is provided for, or is likely to be used by, two or more persons at the same time, and
(b)the circumstances are such that a person of one sex might reasonably object to the presence of a person of the opposite sex."

Any space where women (female sex class]) have consented to share with other women has the expectation that it will not be violated by any males of any description.

This includes public toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards and more.

Remember that sex is defined in the Equality Act as woman (female) or man (male). The definition of sex in this law applies to the single sex exceptions: spaces exclusively for females and spaces exclusively for males.

Remember also that neither 'gender reassignment' nor having a 'GRC' means anyone's sex has changed in relation to the Equality Act 2010.

preserving women's privacy and dignity is not a legitimate purpose for you? how extremely revealing

are womens’ safety, privacy or dignity illegitimate purposes by your reckoning?

I find them legitimate, personally. But feel free to disagree.

It's the forever circular argument though isn't it. This board whenever anyone makes any assertions that it's in some cases justified to allow trans women into places designated for women is just to froth at the mouth and say "we're as women expected to BE KIND?"

Well no, it's not about asking you to be kind, it's about offering dignity to people even when you personally might not agree with it. And this is reflected in literature about such issues - that organisations can discern between women and transwomen when there's a legit reason, but they don't have to in every circumstance.

There's another thread where an elderly woman did not raise her concern the right way.

Now here is another elderly woman asking how to raise her concern.

Please could all those who know what not to say, explain how to state that women are uncomfortable in this situation? What are the right words? The right protocol?

So a letter to the manager stating male crossing the female changing rooms makes females uncomfortable? Or is this still wrong.

It's OK to say transwomen are uncomfortable with other males but not ok to say women are uncomfortable to share their space?

So how do we express concern? Or are we not allowed?

I can believe people tolerate this! It makes me so angry that little girls in changing rooms have to encounter grown blokes in the changing room! 🤬

where it is for a legitimate purpose. This is a high bar. Feeling a little discomfort with someone as they are different is unlikey to qualify under the EA2010.

End of.

Stonewall Law. And you know it's not about being "different" it's about being male in a female space.

Have we seriously just had a suggestion that, because some women choose to share their bed with a man they know and trust, we have no right to ask men to stay out of women's changing rooms?

I think that even beats the 'do you have a single sex toilet at home?' argument.

Why do you think a TW in their 40s wants to join an aqua aerobics class made up of women in their 70s and 80s? 🤔

Isn't it strange that women are meant to "be kind," and put up with men coming into women's spaces?

Oh my God, let's not be mean spirited by wanting to preserve our safety, privacy, dignity and comfort, eh? I mean who the hell do women think they are wanting these merest of considerations when going about their daily lives? Hell, burn the witches.

Exactly? I wasn't referring specifically about the example in the OP. I meant at all/in general

Well yes, it's therefore logical that as women we are more concerned about sharing spaces with males than females

I really can't believe women defending this really want to have penises on show in their changing rooms? Which is what is happening here. You might as well get rid of all single SEX spaces if anyone with genitalia of the opposite sex can walk in, and no one minds.

I would be livid if expected to share a space where I'm in any state of undress with a strange penis that I haven't agreed to.

Don't be silly. A lesbian is a woman. Men are responsible for 95% of sexual assaults.

As for how do you know they're trans? Er, because she has eyes? Most trans women don't pass.

And women have the right to a separate changing room based on sex.

And, being female, they are at elevated risk by going into the men's changing room. So they are very welcome in the female one, as far as I'm concerned.

where it is for a legitimate purpose. This is a high bar. Feeling a little discomfort with someone as they are different is unlikey to qualify under the EA2010.

End of. Until the new PM changes the EA2010 to remove trans people. Then you can all have open season on the trans as many wish it seems. How sad.