Transwoman in the changing room at school pool

Ah fair enough, I didn't see that

One class was aqua aerobics, the previous session was free swim which means they probably use the pool for various different classes. But, by your logic a trans person who attends aqua aerobics is a given pussycat and would never attack anyone? Lol

I'm sorry but again, see my most recent post before this one.

Is that a real question - "Why else would any man want to be in any woman's private space if the motivation is not sexual gratification?"

This is offensive beyond belief. But it does exactly prove my point which I was worried you've argue against - that your statement is based solely on your own prejudice in assuming ANY motivation trans women have to do ANYTHING is sexual.

Most people are not transphobic so know that this is not the case.

to be fair, @SolasAnla provided some pretty good advice quite early on

and then people arrived accusing everyone of disgusting bigotry and the temperature went up a bit (not saying that was you)

I can't remember, I don't think it was quite that high, but there wasn't much support.

Right...

I think you'll find one of the first responses which sends the op to sex matters.org leads op to almost the exact same type of letters...

I just wanted for once someone who keeps leading us down the "show us the penis first route" to draft one too because when we do it "it's against the trans".

Now she has almost the same letter with the same " transphobic content" written by a trans ally. So she can't go too far wrong.

I think you'll find the bigoted prosecco storm front is pretty level headed.

And may I remind you, no one has berated the transwoman from taking part in sport with some old ladies. No one cares. We do care about female single sex spaces.

How can you possibly accuse someone walking to put their hat in a locker of "the sexual offence of voyeurism". It is beyond tenuous and you would and should be laughed out of the door if you actually tried to accuse anybody, trans or not, of a literal sexual offence for walking across a changing room. I'm not asking whether you think it's possible they were acting in a voyeuristic way, as anything is possible, I'm saying you have absolutely no evidence this was the case. It's your own prejudice against transwomen which is causing you to automatically assume the must have got some kind of sexual pleasure from being there. There is no argument against that.

If that person was acting strangely, or leery, or sexual in any way I'm sure OP would have been the first to mention this.

What's the point in talking about anything if people can't be reasonable and factual and treat people like actual people rather than fetishist perverts whose sole purpose in life is to abuse and harass as many women as possible just by existing.

@Dreamwhisper See the Sexual Offences Act 2003, section 67 Voyeurism

(1) A person commits an offence if—

(a) for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, he observes another person doing a private act, and

(b) he knows that the other person does not consent to being observed for his sexual gratification.

Section 67 Voyeurism

Why else would any man want to be in any woman's private space if the motivation is not sexual gratification?

You tell me?

As I said earlier, any male (man) who violates the boundaries of any female (woman) against her consent is, by definition, a predatory male (man).

I think that draft letter misses out one very important part of the op:
'My mum was told that they use a different changing room to the one next to the pool'
So I would add:
'You had previously informed my mother that transwomen use a different changing room. Please could you confirm that this is the case and, if yes, reiterate to all concerned that this is your rule?'

I would also miss out the bit about it being a sensitive matter. I think it's a perfectly straightfoward matter and it sounds like the pool already have a workable solution.

97% wasn't it in the most recent YouGov survey?

This person is male if they have a penis.

This person is male full stop.

All locations who allow males into their female single sex spaces should at the very least be mandated to make this clear, so that women and girls can make an informed choice whether to put themselves in a position where their boundaries are ignored.

A lesbian is an XX adult human female.
A male masquerading as a “woman” is patently not a woman and probably is packing male genitalia.
Women and girls need protection from men in their spaces.

And this isn't tenuous??

Women didn't consent to a male seeing them unclothed. They didn't know males could access the female changing.

And sorry I got your mum's age wrong, I misread

Thank you for tagging the correct OP.

@PoolFloat letter drafted!

And this isn't tenuous??

Jesus Christ.

All the ladies need to boycott the swimming group and let them know the reason why. A person in the changing rooms that has gone through male puberty should not be anywhere near the female changing rooms.

OP said they left the pool and walked through a changing room of semi naked women, and were clearly male bodied.

If someone leaves the pool, they are in swim wear. The thing about penises is, you can SEE the shape of them through the thin material of whatever swim suit. Enough to know it's a biological man as OP's mum discovered.

Would you be comfortable getting undressed in front of a strange man? If you would then why is it assumed to be more comfortable just because the man says he's a woman.....Surely the entry requirement for a single sex space is being part of that sex?

I've provided you a nice little draft, it took me 2 minutes.

You should have known that no one would actually help you write such a thing on this board, it's for berating trans access to anywhere.

Does her being trans make her more of a threat than any other women? Would a lesbian, for example, be treated with the same assumptions?

You win the award for the most tenuous analogy. Lesbians don’t have penises 🙄

Women's safety, privacy, dignity and comfort is a legitimate purpose as you well know @MishyJDI and that is not a high bar and it absolutely does qualify under the Equality Act, as confirmed by the EHRC - you know the actual Equality Act not the one misrepresented by Stonewall.

No-one is removing trans people they use the spaces and services for their sex or alternate spaces provided exclusively for them as in this case.

Dear Sir or Madam,

My 70 year old mother attends a swimming class and has informed me a trans woman used the female changing rooms to put her hat in a locker.

My mother was not comfortable with this as she would prefer if the female changing rooms were single sex spaces only.

Are you able to comment as to whether you would be willing to enforce a policy of your changing rooms being single sex only? I understand that it is possible to do this lawfully however I also understand that your policy may be to allow trans gendered people to use the changing room of their chosen gender rather than their biological sex.

Could you please clarify this matter for me, and if your current policy states that you do not require your changing rooms to be single sex, can you advise if there are any single occupancy facilities that my mother could use when swimming at your club?

I appreciate your help in this sensitive matter.

Yours sincerely,

Blister

That is exactly what I would write if I were in your position. It really doesn't need to be a full blown attack on anyone, you don't need to go into a transphobic rant (where you will justifiably get accused of, erm, transphobia).