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Ben Cooper QC - Lawyer of the Week (in the Times)

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Justme56 · 04/08/2022 08:13

Sorry I can't share the article, but liked this:

What is the funniest thing that has happened in your job?

As a result of my work in this area, apparently becoming an object of admiration on Mumsnet [the Internet parents' forum] - improbable in many ways.

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Solemum · 08/08/2022 22:58

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RhannionKPSS · 08/08/2022 22:57

Oh the fragrant Robin who took their shoes off in the cafe of Scottish Parliament & walked around, such a womanly thing to do 😂

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 08/08/2022 22:56

I LOVE BEN

Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 22:53

ErrolTheDragon · 08/08/2022 22:50

People seem to have a lot of concern for the 500k spent.

Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. The value to women of Allison winning her discrimination claim against her employer is incalculable for thousands of other women.

The valuable of Stonewall winning was incalculable to me as well.

Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 22:52

One more thing, bundles are the responsibility of solicitors, not barristers. So I'm not sure why you think this is anything to do with Robin White.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/08/2022 22:50

People seem to have a lot of concern for the 500k spent.

Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. The value to women of Allison winning her discrimination claim against her employer is incalculable for thousands of other women.

Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 22:50

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Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 22:44

Helleofabore · 08/08/2022 20:36

Oh! That is classic! If someone thought you were Robin White Hearache with your track record of accurate and evidenced posting, that is saying something about what MNer know about Robin White!!!!

That has given me a huge laugh!

"that is saying something about what MNer know about Robin White!!!!"

Presumably a compliment as she won the case in the tribunal. She must be a talented lawyer.

Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 22:43

SummerLobelia · 08/08/2022 20:13

Someone on another thread asked how SW and their supporters will cope with the drubbing they got.

I said they will reframe their trauma.

And so it has proven to be.

What drubbing? They won.

Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 22:42

sanluca · 08/08/2022 19:43

Seriously, Hearache, give it a rest. You are now just becoming really annoying. You see a win for Stonewall because there wasn't enough evidence to prove they had directly inlfuenced AB's employer. But it was never not a case to win for Stonewall as they were not the ones required to prove their claims. And fhe only reason AB wasn't able to prove what Stonewall did was because Stonewall got one of their employees to take the fall.
Whatever you say, Stonewall got slammed for their behaviour in the judgement and in the media.

"You see a win for Stonewall". Indeed, I do and so did the tribunal.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2022 20:37

`MNers'

Helleofabore · 08/08/2022 20:36

Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 19:04

Just to clarify (someone sent me a DM) I am not Robin White, I am not a lawyer and I am also not an employee of Stonewall!

Oh! That is classic! If someone thought you were Robin White Hearache with your track record of accurate and evidenced posting, that is saying something about what MNer know about Robin White!!!!

That has given me a huge laugh!

catandcoffee · 08/08/2022 20:22

I wonder how the dogis doing in this weather.
Was it a support 🐕 or something 🤔

Solemum · 08/08/2022 20:14

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SummerLobelia · 08/08/2022 20:13

Someone on another thread asked how SW and their supporters will cope with the drubbing they got.

I said they will reframe their trauma.

And so it has proven to be.

ShoddyCourtBundles · 08/08/2022 20:08

sweetgrapes · 08/08/2022 19:54

I've turned my rage into something useful. 😉

Everytime someone says Allison lost or Stonewall won, I chugg my beer and put another bunch of carrots in LGBA's garden.

Come on... who's playing?

It's lovely weather, I could garden all week.

Good one, sweetgrapes!
For the past few years every time I hear some numpty like Grace Lavery or Susie Green on the radio I do a bit of gardening in a deserving allotment. It's very satisfying.

sweetgrapes · 08/08/2022 19:54

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I've turned my rage into something useful. 😉

Everytime someone says Allison lost or Stonewall won, I chugg my beer and put another bunch of carrots in LGBA's garden.

Come on... who's playing?

It's lovely weather, I could garden all week.

sanluca · 08/08/2022 19:43

Seriously, Hearache, give it a rest. You are now just becoming really annoying. You see a win for Stonewall because there wasn't enough evidence to prove they had directly inlfuenced AB's employer. But it was never not a case to win for Stonewall as they were not the ones required to prove their claims. And fhe only reason AB wasn't able to prove what Stonewall did was because Stonewall got one of their employees to take the fall.
Whatever you say, Stonewall got slammed for their behaviour in the judgement and in the media.

Hernameismia · 08/08/2022 19:40

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Terfydactyl · 08/08/2022 19:30

Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 18:38

22k is nothing when you spend 500k. If I place £50 worth of bets and win £2.20 that is a very bad day at the races.

I realise words are not your forte, but in case you didnt get it yet,
Lots and lots of us chipped in small amounts. And then we got the win we wanted.
So Sue's fiver was a winner, my 20spot was a winner, my daughters 8 quid was a winner.
Millions of women won, not just allison.
I realise you dont see it as a win for allison and fine, I cant make you see the obvious, but millions of women can see the win. And they matter more than just one person nay saying.

But anyway, you are doing us all a huge favour by keeping the thread up near the top. More people will see, more people will read and I care not which side they take so long as they are interested.

SummerLobelia · 08/08/2022 19:20

sweetgrapes · 08/08/2022 19:04

People seem to have a lot of concern for the 500k spent.

Well, as a feminist I do too.
It's not an investment, it's a cost so ROI is irrelevant.

I am absolutely incensed with the government for writing such poor law as the GRA and not having our backs. I will keep pushing till it's repealed.

I am livid that women are having to crowdfund and bring about these legal challenges. We pay our taxes and the government should be working for us too not just MEN.

I am furious that SEX and SEXUALITY are protected characteristics and yet a FEMALE and a LESBIAN can get treated in such a shite manner and it takes 500k for the employer to get a rap on the knuckles. Is the Equality act not worth the paper it's written on?

I am fucking furious with Stonewall for taking it's eye off the ball and letting itself get run over and turned into a HOMOPHOBIC charity. What could be worse for something that was supposed to be looking out for Lesbian and Gay rights. The fight was not done, it was not time to hang up the boots.

I hate missing my coffee to fund this shit. Don't mess with me when I haven't had my coffee.

Meanwhile, hats off to AB and Ben.
Anyone who can actually read sentences, live long and prosper.

Hear Hear.

sweetgrapes · 08/08/2022 19:04

People seem to have a lot of concern for the 500k spent.

Well, as a feminist I do too.
It's not an investment, it's a cost so ROI is irrelevant.

I am absolutely incensed with the government for writing such poor law as the GRA and not having our backs. I will keep pushing till it's repealed.

I am livid that women are having to crowdfund and bring about these legal challenges. We pay our taxes and the government should be working for us too not just MEN.

I am furious that SEX and SEXUALITY are protected characteristics and yet a FEMALE and a LESBIAN can get treated in such a shite manner and it takes 500k for the employer to get a rap on the knuckles. Is the Equality act not worth the paper it's written on?

I am fucking furious with Stonewall for taking it's eye off the ball and letting itself get run over and turned into a HOMOPHOBIC charity. What could be worse for something that was supposed to be looking out for Lesbian and Gay rights. The fight was not done, it was not time to hang up the boots.

I hate missing my coffee to fund this shit. Don't mess with me when I haven't had my coffee.

Meanwhile, hats off to AB and Ben.
Anyone who can actually read sentences, live long and prosper.

Hearach15 · 08/08/2022 19:04

Just to clarify (someone sent me a DM) I am not Robin White, I am not a lawyer and I am also not an employee of Stonewall!