Ben Cooper QC - Lawyer of the Week (in the Times)

"And the ramifications of that ‘win’ you are so determined to claim for Stonewall continue to roll through history."

Not sure why you feel the need to put that in quotation marks! Bit like saying Joe Biden 'won' the US Presidential election.

"You have a deep hatred for LGB Alliance and for some of the people who are involved in fighting for women’s rights."

I don't hate these people. I oppose their views, big difference.

Although, perhaps you could explain how Baroness Nicholson who opposes the right of women to get married and have kids with other women is fighting for women's rights? Seems a bit misogynist to me that she thinks women should have these rights only if they do so with someone with a penis.

Loving your work, Helleofabore

I'm not sure how many more 'wins' Stonewall can survive.

And here is a horrific over reach by a PSCO who also shows the world just how tolerant they are of people who disagree with them. Who was also wearing all the paraphernalia indicating that PSCO is presumably a Stonewall member. Certainly, I am still uncertain as to which Police force they belong to, but it is likely to be a Stonewall supporter and likely publicised it sometime over the past 6 years.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4611524-woman-told-by-psco-that-her-thinking-is-wrong-and-she-needs-to-educate-herself

Just another win for Stonewall though!

Look how educational this will be when it reaches mainstream media! How tolerant of other’s opinions and right to free speech!

And so now any LGB or T person who disagrees with you about the focus of LGB organisations is also someone who is not actively engaged in supporting LGB people?

Because you apparently are the arbitrator now of who deserves to be part of the LGB community?

And by implication must be the perfect model of a LGB ambassador?

So you are here on Mumsnet, trying to silence discussion rather than engage with discussion because you are an LGB ambassador? Brilliant! If you are as good as it gets, then readers most certainly have had the best live demonstration of the tactics used by extreme activists to stop discussion.

And in the meantime, Ben Cooper is a god!!

And the ramifications of that ‘win’ you are so determined to claim for Stonewall continue to roll through history.

Here is another from the weekend.

wbcboxing.com/en/world-boxing-council-statement-guidelines-regarding-transgender-athletes-participation-in-professional-combat-sports/amp/

As UK is a member nation, I am sure Stonewall’s influence would have been used and considered in making this policy….. and considered to be not as important as female’s fairness and safety.

And so, ignored.

Another win!

And hearache we have been around each and everyone one of these points on other threads.

You have a deep hatred for LGB Alliance and for some of the people who are involved in fighting for women’s rights.

If you’d like, we can go through this all again. You still will look like someone who has nothing to offer except a deeply indoctrinated view who simply posts opinion and misinformation they have pulled from twitter and other social media platforms. Someone who cannot use critical thinking to work out what is true and what is just propaganda and mantras.

You see earache, I don’t have to be an expert on LGB issues to continue to point out your lack of logic, your lack in understanding how good robust laws are created and passed in the Westminster system of government, and how you seem to have in the past tried to denounce the LGB Alliance with statements that were absurd and when the same points applied to Stonewall made Stonewall look like it was not as effective as LGB Alliance.

I am curious about these people who have some very strong opinions on LGBT issues and what contribution they make to the LGBT community make. It's hardly a proactive question.

Presumably you find it uncomfortable because the answer is almost always "I do nothing for the LGBT community".

The LGB Alliance (who I assume you refer to) are not "an organization that focuses on LGB people and puts their needs first though".

They were launched not to promote LGB rights but to oppose trans rights or "gender extremism" as Allison Bailey calls it:

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1186767223555272719?s=20

They rarely campaign on LGB issues e.g. They didn't even put out a tweet to celebrate lesbians getting free IVF the other day.

And they host people who actively oppose LGB rights because they agree with them on trans rights e.g. Baroness Nicholson who thinks lesbians getting married "degrades women" and thinks two women having kids is "neither normal nor natural". She also wanted gay men who have consensual sex with 20 year-old men to be chucked in jail.

As someone who is "not an expert" on LGBT issues I do not expect you to know this but the above are all examples of homophobia.

It is not transphobic to want an organization that focuses on LGB people and puts their needs first though. Especially since usually T people can join too if they are either same sex attracted or both sex attracted.

So claiming that people cannot have that option is the very description of a totalitarian at a group level. So, if you are happy to understand that you are then totalitarian in nature and belong to a totalitarian like group.. great.

Own it and we can all move on.

Otherwise, you are dishonest as well as hypocritical, in your declaration of being tolerant because you certainly cannot tolerate others who are LGB and don’t want to centre the T.

You can keep repeating that statement hearache, but so far you have not actually shown yourself to have contributed anything but gleeful, tone deaf and misogynistic posts…. Your posts never quite do anything except show you don’t really have anything above ‘I know people’ rhetoric.

So when you start in on other posters with Are you very involved in the LGBT community?, you also appear like a typical extreme activist trying to silence others. It is hugely hypocritical considering you are continuing to post on a feminist board when you are trying to then gatekeep what people post on this feminist board.

And you are clearly not any feminist because your posts all seem to focus and centre on males with a few tips of the hat to transitioned females.

Gatekeeping in this way is not ‘in the spirit’ and is against talk guidelines.

And again, the article you posted had no relevance to the topic of females and best health care practices.

Are you very involved in the LGBT community?

Lol yeah sure course you would

you think a fully intact man who self identifies as a woman can be a lesbian

Homophobia is rife among TRA

Not all all sinister to call out transphobia among from members of the LGB community. I would also call out any homophobia and biphobia expressed by members of the trans community.

"Did you look at the ‘Harvard’ and think ‘this has great credibility’?"

I see 'Harvard', realise it is research published by the most prestigious university in the world and know the conclusions expressed within it are much credible than those of someone who in their own words is "not an expert" in LGBT matters.

LGBT people do not derive our legitimacy from straight people, thanks.

I think they think they sound kind and super tolerant and are ‘leading by example’, when the reality is they sound exactly the opposite. And very indoctrinated.

I can’t imagine anyone undecided being convinced by Hearaches gleefully tone deaf and totalitarian posts. But maybe someone will.

Maybe they will come and tell us what was convincing about them.

The creation of the ‘us and them’, the absolutism, is recognised as the opposite of inclusive. But the ‘inclusive’ evangelists cannot see that.

Yes, but I don’t think those who passionately berate or denigrate LGB people who want representation without the T realise the sinister nature of that mantraing.

The rage at disconnecting LGB makes it pretty obvious to everyone that it's needed in order to provide legitimacy.

There is no LGB without the T.

This is such a sinister statement.
The implication that LGB exist only due to the largesse of T. It is a very pure taking control of LGB politics- if there were mutuality, you could swap out any of the letters but nowadays it only ‘works’ when T is the dominant force.

This.

Absolutely nothing would surprise me these days.

I wonder how many men…would thorough enjoy being asked to pee on a stick…

According to Dara O'Briain there's a subset of men who'd enjoy it for very different reasons.

I'm wondering the financial impact on the NHS of having to do a pregnancy test on every man before treating them in specific instances, like they regularly do on women.

I wonder how many men, of the kind who wear prosthetic pregnancy bumps, try to lactate, and use 'period kits' would thorough enjoy being asked to pee on a stick before they get their prostate checked.

some people don’t feel the need to face the reality of the effects of their choices on others.

It's not quite the irregular verb here but I think the Sacred Caste declension is approximately

• Collective responsibility for, and adherence to, my choices for thee.
• Supreme individualism and autonomy without consideration for others for me.