Page 3 | On trans periods and changing sex at menopause

MauisLeftNipple · 2022-07-31T09:26:25+00:00

My friend is on a women's discussion group and has been observing the education of women by some transwomen (and sending me screenshots...). Apparently the effect of estrogen on transwomen's bodies (mood swings, bloating, cramps) is an actual period. It is the same thing as expelling menstrual fluid from your person. You can use "period" to describe any or all of these symptoms, and even doctors do so. There are multiple types of sex including chromosomal, gametic and hormonal. And get this, when a woman goes through menopause her gametic sex changes. Wow! Health information such as that on NHS pages re cervical cancer is actually clearer since it removed references to sex because "people with a cervix" is the correct descriptor over women. Information on men's cancers has been subject to the exact same treatment. Anyone who disagrees with this is following their feelings and not the science. Oh yeah and they are also a t*** and want trans people to die. And there endeth your lesson....

GertrudeKerfuffle · 31/07/2022 21:52

PMS is not a standard part of every woman's menstrual cycle and not something that tells you you've achieved womanhood. If men suffered from it, you could bet your bottom dollar that extensive research would have been done and there would be more information and better treatments for it. As it is, 'women's problems' are yet to be taken seriously - just look at the recent announcement (in 20 fucking 22 ) that all trainee doctors will be taught about women's health! Why the almighty fuck aren't they already??

If your cross sex hormones are making you feel crap, you should really talk to your doctor about it, maybe they aren't agreeing with you

Artichokeleaves · 31/07/2022 21:48

notanicepersonapparently · 31/07/2022 21:37

How did I know when I got my first period? The blood. Not the cramps or PMT. The breakdown of the uterine lining. Surely not even the most batshit TRA can claim they experience that.

And having had a process that means I don't bleed, aka do not have periods (as gynae phrases it) I no longer really have a clue where I am in the hormone cycles that are rumbling on. Not the foggiest.

And that's after multiple decades of experience of the hormone cycles and effect.

notanicepersonapparently · 31/07/2022 21:37

How did I know when I got my first period? The blood. Not the cramps or PMT. The breakdown of the uterine lining. Surely not even the most batshit TRA can claim they experience that.

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MauisLeftNipple · 31/07/2022 21:28

@Boiledbeetle experiences like yours are being completely invalidated by people who feel, with no physical evidence, that their experience is exactly the same. Because people on the internet are egging each other on to build this fantasy world. It is absolutely disgusting and I really feel for you and anyone else who is suffering in the same way.

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coconotgrove · 31/07/2022 21:28

Mennex · 31/07/2022 19:14

As any woman that has tried HRT for peri or menopause will tell you, it's the progesterone you take in the second half of the cycle to mimic the natural pre-meno levels and protect you from uterine cancer that gives you uterine cramps and bloating, not the estrogen.

Do trans women get given progesterone? I can't see why they would.

Deluded men fetishising periods. Funny how none of them want menopause though isn't it?

Some women are incredibly sensitive to progesterone, some are not. It’s the same with oestrogen. Oestrogen caused me to bloat horribly, but progesterone had no ill-effect and for the first eighteen months of HRT, that’s all I took. Even now, I take the smallest dose of oestrogen as weirdly, I’m still horribly sensitive to it even though I no longer make ant of my own.

But yes, I concur with the rest of your post.

GertrudeKerfuffle · 31/07/2022 21:25

Faffertea · 31/07/2022 21:15

Chill Vipers.

You’re not getting danglies with your hot flushes, mood changes, vaginal dryness, fatigue palpitations and generally becoming invisible to society at large because you’re just ordinary boring women.

No stunning and brave symptoms to put up for you!

Seriously this nonsensical pseudoscience bullshit makes my teeth itch. I spend so much time talking to women about their periods and female anatomy. The last thing any of us need is the mansplaining about what are bodies are and are not.

Shit, I was just figuring out how to make the most of my future post-menopausal male privilege and you have to go and burst my bubble.

Truth be told, I'd only got as far as 'actually, I'm still going to sit down to wee because I can't be arsed with the mess' and I'll be the one cleaning it up anyway I'd obviously be crap at manning.

Faffertea · 31/07/2022 21:21

@Boiledbeetle
Im sorry for all you’ve been through. Your anger in the face of these males is entirely valid. 💐

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MauisLeftNipple · 31/07/2022 21:19

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2022 20:48

It appears I missed the same biology lesson as you. Which is why I was very surprised when last Wednesday after an appointment with gynaecology re my impending menopause my penis and bollocks arrived in the post!

Of course being an NHS penis it was rather limp and pathetic.

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Just so I'm prepared, are they clip-on or....?

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bellinisurge · 31/07/2022 21:17

If some piece of shit told me that I'm no longer a woman because I'm going through the menopause, I'd give them a loudly verbal piece of my mind. What an arsehole. That these AGP dickwipes are getting any voice in women's healthcare makes me want to vomit.
And if they want to know why I'm not being dainty and demure about it, I would refer them back to the menopause. And a life time of experience as a biological woman.

Faffertea · 31/07/2022 21:16

And @MauisLeftNipple if your friend would like to ask some questions of their very complicated, it’s not like at school, biology knowledge I’d be happy to oblige!

Artichokeleaves · 31/07/2022 21:15

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2022 16:01

Dear transwomen,

I got an appointment through the other day to go and have a ultrasound wand struck up my vagina to check out my ovaries and fallopian tubes and check out wether I've grown any new ovarian cysts or fibroids. Plus they need to see if there's any reason I bled for nearly a month last month, especially as I had an, fairly unsuccessful, ablation the other year, plus i hadn't had a period for 9 months until the month of bleeding. My gynaecologist is concerned there is something more sinister going on.

And lets not even discuss the many operations over the years to try to remove endometriosis sticking itself all over the sodding place. Or the stays in hospital when large ovarian charts have ruptured. Or the time they cut straight through my bowel, and didn't notice, whilst doing an investigative op to see how much damage was done to my sex organs as a result of the sexual abuse when I was a child.

The lady at the Women and children division ultrasound scan department completely understand why I wanted to change my appointment to another time, after all its not how any woman would choose to spend the morning of their 50th birthday is it.

And you think taking some hormones and eating a dodgy kebab gives you the right to say what you are going through equates to the 40 years of actual bloody fucking horrendous shit I've been through and am currently going through?

HOW DARE YOU.

I'm so sorry No one but another female can understand really what any of this might be like even if they haven't experienced the full hell of it like this first hand.

Please don't upset yourself. There is zero point in trying to get those fixated on this belief to listen or change the faintest thing about their beliefs, and the responses you are likely to get would be still more insensitive, dismissive, belittling and nonsensical than the original claims were. Being rational and reasonable requires the capacity on both sides. I'm afraid the answer here is the one the relationships board would give you: LTB and with as little attention as possible. Grey rock all the way. Because this is irrational, it is nonsense, and to argue back with it is not only pointless, you are validating it by providing your attention and distress, and I'm also concerned that your experiences may well well end up as useful material to be appropriated and utilised in someone else's imagination on social media. I won't explain further as I don't want to risk deletion for pointing out the obvious facts, evidence and connections.

Faffertea · 31/07/2022 21:15

Chill Vipers.

You’re not getting danglies with your hot flushes, mood changes, vaginal dryness, fatigue palpitations and generally becoming invisible to society at large because you’re just ordinary boring women.

No stunning and brave symptoms to put up for you!

Seriously this nonsensical pseudoscience bullshit makes my teeth itch. I spend so much time talking to women about their periods and female anatomy. The last thing any of us need is the mansplaining about what are bodies are and are not.

ScrollingLeaves · 31/07/2022 21:11

Boiledbeetle · Today 16:01
Your account of what you have been through is harrowing. I am afraid I missed seeing your post earlier, but want to sayhow sorry I am and hope some ways will be found to alleviate your difficulties 💐💐

ScrollingLeaves · 31/07/2022 21:05

CrossStichQueen · Today 20:42
Yes Scrolling let's pick 1 in 80,000 female births...however 48% of those born had a functioning vagina and are female. Whats your point? ?

I must have misunderstood your post CrossStichQueen

If you never had a cervix then cervical cancer is not an issue for you....the same way testicular cancer is not a problem for women!! We don't have testiculas!!

Because if you saying testicular cancer is not a problem for women!! We don’t have testicles!!

I evidently mistakenly thought you were suggesting someone who hadn’t ever had a cervix, could not be a woman.

Especially as I conflated your response to:
I did have them, I am a woman but it isn't accurate to say all women have a cervix. If you're giving out information about cervical cancer I'm not the audience you are aiming for.

So my point, based on that [wrong] assumption, was that though rare some women have never had a cervix.

I was also half thinking of the NHS guidance that came up at the start of the thread where “intersex/DSD with a cervix” came up.

GertrudeKerfuffle · 31/07/2022 21:05

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2022 16:01

Dear transwomen,

I got an appointment through the other day to go and have a ultrasound wand struck up my vagina to check out my ovaries and fallopian tubes and check out wether I've grown any new ovarian cysts or fibroids. Plus they need to see if there's any reason I bled for nearly a month last month, especially as I had an, fairly unsuccessful, ablation the other year, plus i hadn't had a period for 9 months until the month of bleeding. My gynaecologist is concerned there is something more sinister going on.

And lets not even discuss the many operations over the years to try to remove endometriosis sticking itself all over the sodding place. Or the stays in hospital when large ovarian charts have ruptured. Or the time they cut straight through my bowel, and didn't notice, whilst doing an investigative op to see how much damage was done to my sex organs as a result of the sexual abuse when I was a child.

The lady at the Women and children division ultrasound scan department completely understand why I wanted to change my appointment to another time, after all its not how any woman would choose to spend the morning of their 50th birthday is it.

And you think taking some hormones and eating a dodgy kebab gives you the right to say what you are going through equates to the 40 years of actual bloody fucking horrendous shit I've been through and am currently going through?

HOW DARE YOU.

Oh Beetle, that sounds awful. I hope you see some improvement soon

GertrudeKerfuffle · 31/07/2022 21:01

Datun · 31/07/2022 10:49

Certain men who want to be women are driven by a fetish, not just appearances. It's important to them that the concept of womanhood is divorced, as much as possible, from the female biology that it encompasses.

In order they they can claim the title of women, it has to rely less and less on a biological function that they can't ever perform.

Hence wanting to say women aren't women at all once they cease menstruating, whilst simultaneously appropriating menstruation themselves for a specifically male function.

it's where the entire push to not allow the word woman or mother to be conditional on female biology and parenthood come from.
You are cervix haver or a chest feeder.

Because the word woman is needed elsewhere.

There's something very sinister about this, the obliteration of the thing that you are envious of and long to possess. I'm sure there are parallels in myths and psychology, but I can't put my finger on it right now. Probably because of my hormonal brain fog

ScreamingMeMe · 31/07/2022 20:54

Voice0fReason · 31/07/2022 20:50

It is a pathetic, desperate delusion that transwomen experience anything that even resembles a period.

Note that transwomen who are not TRAs say they have never experienced these symptoms (Rose of Dawn, Blaire White, Debbie Hayton). Funny that.

Voice0fReason · 31/07/2022 20:50

It is a pathetic, desperate delusion that transwomen experience anything that even resembles a period.

ScreamingMeMe · 31/07/2022 20:49

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2022 18:14

I just feel like it's all got really silly.

You know that point at a children's party where they've consumed way to much sugar and they are running around screaming like, well, children! And it's ramping up and ramping up and you just know that in five minutes Kenny is going to push Mark and Lucy is going to fall over and simon is going to be sick.

I feel like the last couple of years we've been suffering the consequence of those in charge consuming to much sugar at the party.

This week feels like we have reached the Simon being sick stage.

Which means its time for the grown -ups to clean up the mess!

😆

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2022 20:48

LeniGray · 31/07/2022 20:28

Look, I’m not a sciency person, so what I’m concerned about is … I’m not far off menopause. Apparently I change sex and nobody saw fit to tell me (or it could’ve been covered in one of the biology classes I skipped, tbf) - I’m not going to wake up one morning with a pair of bollocks, and a weird dangly appendage between my legs, am I? Because that would be … alarming, and I have bad nerves already 😲

It appears I missed the same biology lesson as you. Which is why I was very surprised when last Wednesday after an appointment with gynaecology re my impending menopause my penis and bollocks arrived in the post!

Of course being an NHS penis it was rather limp and pathetic.

CrossStichQueen · 31/07/2022 20:42

Yes Scrolling let's pick 1 in 80,000 female births...however 48% of those born had a functioning vagina and are female. Whats your point? ?

ladygindiva · 31/07/2022 20:33

Oh god, I've gone through my menopause and DP and I had sex a couple days ago. Do I need to break it to him he is now a gay man ?

ScrollingLeaves · 31/07/2022 20:31

I don’t know of course about CrossStichQueen, but have seen this:

Cervical Agenesis

Cervical agenesis occurs when a girl is born without a cervix, the opening at the bottom of the uterus that connects to the vagina.

Cervical agenesis usually occurs along with vaginal agenesis, a condition in which a girl is born without a vagina.

Patients can be seen by Texas Children's experts in Pediatric and Adolescent Gynecology.

Causes & Risk Factors

Cervical agenesis occurs when the baby’s reproductive system fails to develop fully in the womb. Other reproductive organs may also be missing or smaller than usual.

The cause of this abnormal fetal development is not yet known.
www.texaschildrens.org/health/cervical-agenesis

CrossStichQueen · 31/07/2022 20:31

I did have them, I am a woman but it isn't accurate to say all women have a cervix. If you're giving out information about cervical cancer I'm not the audience you are aiming for.

If you had a cervix but don't anymore then you are a woman!!
If you never had a cervix then cervical cancer is not an issue for you....the same way testicular cancer is not a problem for women!! We don't have testiculas!!

VestofAbsurdity · 31/07/2022 20:30

I did have them, I am a woman but it isn't accurate to say all women have a cervix. If you're giving out information about cervical cancer I'm not the audience you are aiming for.

And you would know that seeing as you know you went through an operation to remove said cervix.

ONLY women can or have had a cervix, it's not confusing, it's not difficult.