Tavistock clinic going to be discussed on Jeremy Vine R2 show at 1.00 today!

The outright sexism displayed by some of the callers.

"Girls toys "

The state of it

And yet when they were pretty much forced by the Nolan podcast to ditch their membership of Stonewall they turned to INvolve for D+I training. INvolve here, with its manifesto proposing proactive inclusion — experienced by BBC journalists as enohortaiton to use their influence and power to promote the transgender people and ideology whenever they could.

www.involvepeople.org/making-trans-inclusion-proactive-not-reactive/

They did evict mermaids from their website some time ago however.

And WH had a transwidow on ages ago. Plus Nolan...

I don't think they've felt confident enough to be able to discuss more freely till Cass/ Bailey/ now the Tavistock and probably a hell of a lot of TRAs working there...

Exactly this. I've lost count of the number of times I have complained to the BBC over the last few years about their biased coverage. I've just looked back at my emails including my complaint about that Today producer in 2019. In the BBC's reply to that there is this gem defending their 'wide range of transgender stories'

'The new BBC News LGBT correspondent Ben Hunte looked at the new ban on transgender people entering the US military, while the BBC News website covered the help offered by the NHS to children experiencing gender identity issues.'

Well, that's aged well ...

Excellent point

Wow. Pleasantly surprised by the BBC.

I am too, sort of. David Bell did a great interview with PM yesterday, Sue Evans did another excellent one with Today this morning, and then Hannah Barnes was very good on Woman's Hour.

Excellent. Well done, Beeb. But...

They recognise a sinking ship when they see one, don't they? They have been pushing this ideology for years, and a Today producer said he refused to have a "horrid old Terf" on the programme. For years Woman's Hour refused to touch the subject. Graham Linehan was roasted on Newsnight for saying exactly what Hilary Cass is saying now. So the BBC owe us all (and Graham in particular) a massive apology for having pushed this ideology on us uncritically for several years.

Wow. Pleasantly surprised by the BBC.

David Bell cut through the nonsense like a steel sword. It was factually brutal. He said he has met several young people with deep regrets and ruined lives including, I imagine, Keira Bell. I sensed quite a lot of underlying anger, finely controlled and aimed with perfect precision.

I felt very sorry for the mother. If I were in her shoes I'd keep on repeating the 'born in the wrong body' mantra to myself everyday as well. Better than facing the reality of supporting my daughter to remove her perfectly healthy breasts. That's a truth I couldn't admit to and live with. So I'd be a bastion of TMAM as well and keep praying my child is happy. No other choice really.

Hannah Barnes has posted up a useful and detailed timeline, with references to key articles and videos, on Twitter.

twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1552979640062558208

That was my take way from it. Very clear message, Bell was excellent pointing out that Tyler would have had, back in 2015, one of the sceptical psych's, which is why he got such good treatment and, presumably, a good long term outcome.

Very clear that the issues is with GIDS as an organisation, not the kids, the parents etc. The organisation and its lack of honesty.

Individual anecdotes are not data - the limited data shows that GIDS rushed children into puberty blockers, and then adult hormones and surgery. And the data is limited because Tavistock didn't bother (or for specific reasons chose not to collect data)

It feels like the Berlin wall crumbling, hopefully in time for three teenagers I know, two of whose parents are attention-seekers and all for it.

And we have a parent highlighting the exact issues - boy likes girls toys so must be a girl.

Bell calling it a "very peculiar service." Yes, and it has always been in plain sight" the Gender Identity Development Service. An organisation whose role, clearly stated in the name, was to 'encourage' children - we aren't allowed to use the g-word on this site - into the belief in a newly invented concept called a 'gender identity'. I read somewhere that its founder originally wanted to be a priest.

Jeremy enquired as to whether, even if they threw all the money in the world at the service, it would be safe? He's
not stupid. He doesn't buy into this stuff at all.

Good to hear David Bell describe the reality of what happened rather than Tyler's experience

Lucy was excellent. The mum was reasonable, but she has to believe what she did was right. Glad to hear David Bell now

That must have been irritating. Cass is very clear that there will be a transition to the tertiary centres that will take over existing care and thereafter will be the referral centres.

I think I must have turned it off before Hannah Barnes. I heard Anita Rani bemoaning that now children who didn't identify with the gender they were assigned at birth had no help any more.

Hannah Barne’s was v clear I thought. What was issue with her interview?

I can't bear to listen to JV on this issue as his special soft voice when he talks to TWs does my head in.

I imagine it will be very biased and they will either say it is a terrible thing, or say that it is only to allow more clinics to be rolled out, not talk about the mismanagement of gender identity referrals or lack of follow up care and data

I really can't bear his special voice on this subject. He's the chess-playing pigeon living embodiment of Dunning & Kruger.

That's disappointing as I'd heard that Hannah Barnes was interviewed and she was very effective and powerful in summarising the whistleblowing history and the sheer longevity of the concerns that had been raised in re: GIDS.