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Harry miller arrested

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chilling19 · 28/07/2022 22:16

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TheBiologyStupid · 29/07/2022 19:04

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 11:29

I find serried ranks of any flag disturbing, frankly.

Even if a flag starts as a joyful celebratory flourish, which the rainbow flag certainly did way back when, the uniformity and repetitive pattern soon looks authoritarian and intimidating.

Indeed!

BoreOfWhabylon · 29/07/2022 18:52

DarkDayForPearlClutchingVipers · 29/07/2022 11:29

I find serried ranks of any flag disturbing, frankly.

Even if a flag starts as a joyful celebratory flourish, which the rainbow flag certainly did way back when, the uniformity and repetitive pattern soon looks authoritarian and intimidating.

I understand it was images like this picture of Regent St that prompted the 'Pride Swastike' image.

Harry miller arrested
EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 18:50

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 29/07/2022 18:39

anyway, I am glad there's been an apology.

I don't think there has been an apology, has there? The PCC is not part of the police force.

Okay
an acknowledgement of things being crap.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 29/07/2022 18:39

anyway, I am glad there's been an apology.

I don't think there has been an apology, has there? The PCC is not part of the police force.

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 18:35

Roses I meant lost about what posters are saying about each other.

anyway, I am glad there's been an apology.

ControversialOpening · 29/07/2022 18:13

The only real mystery was what the idiot police officers were thinking going after the guy who posted the meme

Well at least one of the officers was wearing a rainbow badge, so I don't think there's any need to 'check her thinking'. Stonewalled.

RoseslnTheHospital · 29/07/2022 17:54

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 17:26

Anyone else totally lost?!

Not at all, and I wonder why it's proving just so puzzling to some people. My understanding after reading the thread:

Man A posted the progress pride flag arrangement on Twitter that made it look like a swastika to make a point that in his opinion the TRA movement is authoritarian.

Man A has previously been spoken to by the police, twice, over different posts/memes that he posted on social media.

Man A was spoken to by 3 police officers in his home. They go away and come back at a later specified time. By that point Man A had contacted Man B and Man C to be there to witness/document the police interaction.

During this second visit the police got very annoyed with Man B pointing out where they were not following proper police procedure. Man B is an ex police officer who most definitely knows the correct procedures.

The police arrest Man A for a possible offence related to the flag image.

The police arrested Man B for allegedly obstructing them in arresting Man A.

Man C was watching and documenting it all.

Man A - unknown
Man B - Harry Miller, ex police, founder of Fair Cop
Man C - Laurence Fox, contrarian agitator.

Later the PCC for the relevant police force gave a statement promising to look into why the police were spending time and resources interviewing someone over a social media post that is not criminal or even a "non crime hate incident".

Cailleach1 · 29/07/2022 17:50

Maybeonedayeventually · 29/07/2022 07:25

Quite a few posters feeling its an apt comparison though.

Anyone who doesn't consider that contocted flag to be anything but repulsive is no ally for women or humankind in general. Think what you like about TRAs, it doesn't compare to genocide.

Dark day for mumsnet.

I don't think the flags were doctored, or interfered with, in any way, though. If the pattern is designed in such a way that it easily forms that pattern when simply laid out, I wonder if some people think the offending flag should be banned then.

Can it have been designed to do that? Some people see patterns more easily than others.

I also think the huge array of hanging flags in Regent St. were a bit shocking. Chilling even. They were also laid out elsewhere to be more reminiscent of a huge rally elsewhere and I found that even more chilling. I'll try to find a photo of that one later.

I'm not really a flag person, though. For anything.

InTheShadeOfTheFigTree · 29/07/2022 17:49

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:52

If the police are trying to deal with someone and you get involved arguing with the police, you will probably get arrested but not charged.
You may be a middle-class woman who sees the police as a benevolent force and had no contact with them until now, but not all us come from that privilege.
There is a shade on this thread of - do they not know who I am.

'Police force' and 'benevolent'

Hmm, I don't think so.

MangyInseam · 29/07/2022 17:42

It seems pretty clear to me? The only real mystery was what the idiot police officers were thinking going after the guy who posted the meme.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 29/07/2022 17:39

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 17:26

Anyone else totally lost?!

I think im keeping up

so a man was arrested for pointing out that the police were disobeying their own rules

That seems to be ok with some posters

ironically it does not seem to be ok with the police themselves….so actually maybe I’m not keeping up 🤔

Pluvia · 29/07/2022 17:38

Excellent response from the PCC. She's on Twitter if anyone wants to tell her.

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 17:26

Anyone else totally lost?!

TheBiologyStupid · 29/07/2022 17:23

A good statement from the Hampshire PCC.

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 17:21

If only because it's not quite the same kind of outlandish belief that the trolls here explicitly hold. I think our assumption-making visitor thinks of himself as a left wing anti-authoritarian, as his most recent post makes clear. They've got no idea about themselves.

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 17:18

Nope, "it should be illegal to look at the police funny or criticise them in public" is firmly within the realms of obvious satire even on this forum where the trolls have some pretty outlandish beliefs. I retract my apology!

Datun · 29/07/2022 17:15

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 16:56

Why did he have it coming, what did he do that was an arrestable offence?

I thought I'd amped up the irony enough to make it obvious, sorry! I don't actually think that it should be illegal to look at police officers funny.

Illustrates the point, really. That, currently, we can't tell satire from genuine idiocy.

(I knew you were being ironic, because I remember you changing your name)

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 17:13

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 16:56

Why did he have it coming, what did he do that was an arrestable offence?

I thought I'd amped up the irony enough to make it obvious, sorry! I don't actually think that it should be illegal to look at police officers funny.

and my point on satire sits well here.

using irony or satire on a forum where no one knows you - confusing.

Imnobody4 · 29/07/2022 16:59

Looking forward to Andrew Doyle's Free Speech Nation on Sunday - he's not going to be short of things to talk about.

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 16:58

I was making fun of the idiot who was "assuming" that Miller did something wrong because he got arrested.

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 16:56

Why did he have it coming, what did he do that was an arrestable offence?

I thought I'd amped up the irony enough to make it obvious, sorry! I don't actually think that it should be illegal to look at police officers funny.

CrossStichQueen · 29/07/2022 16:48

Miller clearly had it coming.

Why?

Why did he have it coming, what did he do that was an arrestable offence?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/07/2022 16:43

MaudeYoung · 29/07/2022 16:37

The PCC for Hampshire has issued this statement

PCC statement

“As Police Commissioner, I am committed to ensuring Hampshire Constabulary serves the public as the majority of people would expect. It appears on this occasion this has not happened.

“This incident has highlighted a really topical issue which Hampshire Constabulary and other police forces need to learn from. In order to support this I will be writing to the College of Policing to make them aware of this incident and encourage greater clarification on the guidance in order to ensure that police forces can respond more appropriately in the future.”

In combination with Philip Wilkinson's statement in re: KJK's police visit, this is an interesting pressure on the adequacy of the CoP's revised guidance.

MaudeYoung · 29/07/2022 16:37

The PCC for Hampshire has issued this statement

PCC statement

ScreamingMeMe · 29/07/2022 16:31

Have you not seen any of the many threads on here and Feminist Chat about the disgraceful actions of police forces, particularly The Met, towards women and girls @antelopevalley ? How supremely condescending of you.