Harry miller arrested

See, I thought speeding punishments were either a course, or three points.

Is it that if you take neither the course, or the points, then you're prosecuted?

I suppose there to be some kind of sanction if you refuse both. But I wasn't aware you could do that.

I agree it looks like re purposing that policy tho. Even though refashioning the flag doesn't appear to be a crime anyway. The attempt will be to classify it under 'malicious communications', no doubt.

According to Joyce, ‘a few wealthy people’ (p 227), apparently ‘rich, white American males’ (p 228) have ‘shaped the global (trans) agenda’ (p 227). She then goes on to name three rich Jewish people

Is Stryker Jewish? I'm not sure anyone would be aware of that, even if so.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stryker

I think you've been reading too many transactivist blogs.

We find it pretty stressful to have to be constantly fighting for rights we've already won, and being called Nazis or extremists on top of that only add insult to injury.

It's strategic and successful. Look at how many people it discourages from even examining the message that they get through institutions, their workplaces, school, the NHS and in their social networks.

I'm confident that many people would be truly appalled if they realised just what is being done under the cover of #BeKind. They would be alarmed to discover that their acceptance of this message has been taken as agreement for the sterilisation of children and the transformation of the Police in a manner that does, as Mr Justice Julian Knowles put it, edge closer to this warning: “In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society.”

It certainly seems so @MrsOvertonsWindow

@Thelnebriati the police are allowed to collect after arrest ⬇️

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/44/section/10

I have a vague memory that after a court case a police force were instructed to remove records of children who were taken into a station but not charged and people who were proven to be arrested "incorrectly"

Actions that diminish or remove the rights of one group and benefit another are activism, whether deliberate and conscious or not.

Sorry you find it boring. We find it pretty stressful to have to be constantly fighting for rights we've already won, and being called Nazis or extremists on top of that only add insult to injury.

Can you explain why anyone who disagrees with you is called a transactivist?
It is a bit boring.

But that is for something that is a definite offence, Critical? Whereas this seems to be something that isn't an offence. If I'm understanding correctly, they could not prosecute on this, so it's dishonest to suggest re-education and a fine as an alternative, because the genuine alternative is ... nothing.

I am not a polis, though. Nor a lawyer.

I thought I better look this up. And having done so I bet this 're-education' approach was indeed brought across from traffic offences. And probably without a murmur and no debate on the implications.

Re-education is offered as an alternative to being prosecuted for an offence, not just as a choice of penalty. On the National Driver Offender Retraining Scheme website it says 'If the police have offered you a course as an alternative to prosecution for a road traffic offence, you can use this site to find a course provider where you can then book and pay for your course.'

At worst extending an established re-education programme which most people probably wouldn't object to smells like a Denton playbook move. At best it's an ill-considered cost saving/revenue producing measure with profound impact on democratic freedoms.

Not good, either way.

Rather like the ones they used to do in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China?
Exactly that.
Incidentally, talking of Stalin and Mao, would there have been the same fuss if someone had rearranged the flag with a hammer & sickle or any symbol of other authoritarian regimes?

The alternative would be to gather round the local pond and find a way of testing someone's beliefs? Maybe ducking them? The guilty will float so they can be dragged off for punishment and the innocent will sink into oblivion?
This seems to be where we are at the moment.

That interview with Glinner is chilling! The behaviour of the police deciding to send someone on a course for wrong think, the wearing of Stonewall rainbow insignia on police uniforms - it's incredible. Despite everything I know about the capture of the police by trans extremists, this still shocks me to the core.

Why did they take Harry Millers DNA? Will they keep it?

This is very good on the tendency of trans activists to hurl accusations of anti-Semitism at feminists:

capx.co/jk-rowling-and-the-goblins-of-ire/

Prof Rosa Freedman (starting here) at A Woman's Place is at the Bar Reading, 4th December 2018

Her summary of the history of human rights is the best and most succinct that I've ever seen.

Excellent - thanks for sharing that video, Embarrassing.

I see. So practically speaking, I suppose to implement this local committee approval, I imagine we would be looking for a sort of public gathering - a rally, perhaps - where the offender is re-educated and his hateful and offensive views denounced by his neighbours?

Rather like the ones they used to do in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China?

I don’t think comparing anything to nazism is bad, if you are making clear what the comparison is about.

if you are trying to say that something is as bad as the holocaust when it clearly isn’t, then you deserve to be pulled up on that and it’s not a good thing to say.

But comparing authoritarian, ideology-pushing, bullying behaviour, especially by the state and its institutions, to nazism is a political point that it should be OK to make. Especially because, like many horrific totalitarian regimes, nazism started gradually with what appeared to be or were presented as positive, socialist/progressive values. When you see “social justice” tipping over into persecution of wrongthink or of a group with a particular belief, it’s important to be able to point out where that’s led in the past.

How are we meant to learn the lessons of history and avoid repeating them if it’s illegal to say “hang on, this is reminiscent of nazi germany”? If someone says that and is wrong, they can be debated with and their mistake pointed out. It’s called debate.

I agree. Sorry, I didn't make my point clearly. I agree, it's not the same at all. I was just pointing out that I suspect that an existing 'reeducation' approach which has been embedded in the system for years has been extended/adapted from a situation where it's appropriate and acceptable to one where it isn't.

As exwhyzed pointed out capitalist market forces come into play, when a income generating business model upgrades the re-education to a profitable jobs for the boys operation.

Anti-bepenised-lesbian lesbian's have a special classification of sexual racism.....

You should follow him on twitter, he's really been fighting hard for women's rights and child safety - he's done three videos with KJK including the excellent 'Groomed' film.

Harry said said they would downgrade it from a crime to a non-crime, before it even got inside a police station, though.

That's not the same as picking what punishment you want for speeding.

It's appalling. And very dangerous in the context of free speech.

This sort of approach has been around for years for traffic offences. Offer of a lower fine or fewer points if you go on a speed/driving education course. All well and good. Promoting safer driving is uncontroversial and something pretty much everyone would support.

But it really is moving into authoritarian state territory when the potential 'offence' is having an 'offensive' opinion.

I'm glad it's made the main stream press. I hope it causes a huge row.

This is the remarkable harm. In everyday contexts, this calumny is used for asking a question or expressing a reasonable concern.

Given the number of people who have no sense of what happened during that period of history, debasing the terms in this way is minimising those atrocities that so shocked humanity that we drew up Human Rights legislation and brought in agreements around the human treatment of people and the ethical conduct of clinical trials etc.

Prof Rosa Freedman (starting here) at A Woman's Place is at the Bar Reading, 4th December 2018

Her summary of the history of human rights is the best and most succinct that I've ever seen.

I think the overall context was wider in that she was saying if you are excluding people from your dating pool you should examine your prejudices and subsequently made the anti- semitism comments. So same sex is prejudice and GC is like anti-semitism.

When is her non crime hate speech reeducation session due?
NOTE: I profoundly disagree with Nancy Kelley’s statements but offensive comments on both sides are NOT police matters.