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Harry miller arrested

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chilling19 · 28/07/2022 22:16

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commonsense61 · 31/07/2022 14:38

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GertrudeKerfuffle · 31/07/2022 14:30

Imagine if misogyny were a hate crime, the police force would collapse under the strain.

VaggieMight · 31/07/2022 14:25

@commonsense61 I really don't know. Reading up on the definition of hate non-crime/incident might explain it, but even the police don't seem to understand so I doubt it's very clear. In the video the policeman said that the reason the guy is in cuffs and not HM or LF is because someone had seen his post and it made them anxious. The police didn't seem bothered about who shared it, but it becomes a police issue if someone reports it for hurt feelings.

commonsense61 · 31/07/2022 14:07

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DarkDayforMN · 31/07/2022 13:42

*Rather an ironic post given the original was about posting a swastika [made out of trans flags]!

It’s not the post that’s ironic, it’s the reaction of the TRAs and the police to the original image that’s ironic.

yourhairiswinterfire · 31/07/2022 13:20

ZombieMumEB · 31/07/2022 12:07

Does anyone wonder if a time machine has been built, and the gestapo have infiltrated the police in the UK?

That's what it appears to me, from over here in Australia.

Very chilling indeed to see this unfold. History repeating itself.

A judge made the same comparison due to the police behaving like they did here.

Mr Justice Julian Knowles ruled: “The effect of the police turning up at [Miller’s] place of work because of his political opinions must not be under-estimated.

“To do so would be to undervalue a cardinal democratic freedom. In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi.

“We have never lived in an Orwellian society.”

The police here turned up to this man's house to have words because his social media post had 'caused someone anxiety'.

I wonder what women who are threatened with death, rape and bombs have to do to get the police to take them seriously? They're advised to come off social media if death and rape threats are too much for them, yet if a man gets hurty feelz, they'll send 3 officers in vans to deal with it.

MangyInseam · 31/07/2022 13:04

I think it is fair to say that whomever the designer of that flag is, he or she is not quite top notch.

Terfydactyl · 31/07/2022 13:00

MishyJDI · 31/07/2022 12:38

Rather an ironic post given the original was about posting a swastika!

Or in fact posting an arrangement of pride flags that looked like a swastika.
I thought it was class 101 of design to see if your image could be arranged to make something like that then redesign.

MishyJDI · 31/07/2022 12:38

ZombieMumEB · 31/07/2022 12:07

Does anyone wonder if a time machine has been built, and the gestapo have infiltrated the police in the UK?

That's what it appears to me, from over here in Australia.

Very chilling indeed to see this unfold. History repeating itself.

Rather an ironic post given the original was about posting a swastika!

ZombieMumEB · 31/07/2022 12:07

Does anyone wonder if a time machine has been built, and the gestapo have infiltrated the police in the UK?

That's what it appears to me, from over here in Australia.

Very chilling indeed to see this unfold. History repeating itself.

VaggieMight · 31/07/2022 11:55

Sharing the image doesn't seem to be the crime. The hate crime/incident occurs if someone sees it shared and is offended. HM and LF admitted to the police that they had both shared the image.

Terfydactyl · 31/07/2022 11:41

Cailleach1 · 31/07/2022 10:16

Also, apparently the flags are designed so that when you just lay them down a certain way (without interfering or doctoring them at all) they form a swastika.

Even more interestingly, the chappie who got arrested was apparently not the person who took the photo of the offending flags. The chappie was apparently arrested for retweeting the photo of the offending flags.

As far as we know the original photographer of the image has not been arrested/spoken to, bit like when harry was told to check his thinking for retweeting a limerick. Again as far as we know the writer of the limerick was never told to check their thinking.
It seems if you are too hard to find/use aliases/hide your online presence the police aren't bothered. But surely the bigger crime is making the image/limerick in the first place, to be clear I dont think it's a crime.
Why would you also only try to re-educate one out of potentially millions of people who retweeted an image or limerick?
Looks a lot like bullying to me. Pick on the one who probably wont fight back, send a message to all Terven, it wont work unless the thing is in fact illegal.

IcakethereforeIam · 31/07/2022 10:19

Someone posted it at the beginning of this thread, should they be worried? Should MN be worried? I hope not, offensive or not, I find the thought that they might have to be worried offensive.

Cailleach1 · 31/07/2022 10:16

PicturesOfDogs · 28/07/2022 22:21

Just seen this on Twitter.
something to do with someone arranging trans flags to look like swastikas apparently.
Harry defending them and got arrested

Also, apparently the flags are designed so that when you just lay them down a certain way (without interfering or doctoring them at all) they form a swastika.

Even more interestingly, the chappie who got arrested was apparently not the person who took the photo of the offending flags. The chappie was apparently arrested for retweeting the photo of the offending flags.

MangyInseam · 31/07/2022 02:33

BlossomsOnATree · 30/07/2022 11:19

I don’t think comparing anything to nazism is bad, if you are making clear what the comparison is about.

if you are trying to say that something is as bad as the holocaust when it clearly isn’t, then you deserve to be pulled up on that and it’s not a good thing to say.

But comparing authoritarian, ideology-pushing, bullying behaviour, especially by the state and its institutions, to nazism is a political point that it should be OK to make. Especially because, like many horrific totalitarian regimes, nazism started gradually with what appeared to be or were presented as positive, socialist/progressive values. When you see “social justice” tipping over into persecution of wrongthink or of a group with a particular belief, it’s important to be able to point out where that’s led in the past.

How are we meant to learn the lessons of history and avoid repeating them if it’s illegal to say “hang on, this is reminiscent of nazi germany”? If someone says that and is wrong, they can be debated with and their mistake pointed out. It’s called debate.

Yes, this. People have this issue with comparisons a lot, they don't seem to understand that they are always qualified, because the nature of a comparison is that you are talking about two different things.

Sometimes very different, the similarities may be fairly limited and specific.

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/07/2022 00:03

Does he know who reported him? Was it a Tory MP?

Nineteen19 · 30/07/2022 23:54

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 22:36

They have not come to their senses, they just do not give a shit about LGBT. They will enact whatever will get them votes.

Works for me, I'm keeping my eyes on the prize.

ControversialOpening · 30/07/2022 23:15

@antelopevalley
thanks for your reply. If you say you’re not a TRA then I believe you.

however I must say that - on this thread at least - you are looking like a TRA and quacking like a TRA.

MrGHardy · 30/07/2022 23:10

The way some 'trans activists' behave towards gender heretics, they 100% would have been loyal party members 90 years ago. It's the same kind of mentality.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 30/07/2022 22:57

Well, I would say refraining from sterilising children is definitely a vote winner.

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 22:36

They have not come to their senses, they just do not give a shit about LGBT. They will enact whatever will get them votes.

nauticant · 30/07/2022 22:30

The conservatives were the ones originally planning to introduce self id.

If the Conservatives are going to come to their senses and drop a regressive and harmful ideology because they now recognise it as such, that works for me. We need to get away from the thinking that only those who have been pure for ever are allowed to contribute to the debate.

Nineteen19 · 30/07/2022 21:42

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antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 21:38

The conservatives were the ones originally planning to introduce self id.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2022 21:34

I thought the Conservative Party said they were going to stop this shit.🙄