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Izzard - womanhood not a 'mode'

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Cookingutensil · 27/07/2022 23:46

That's it. Womanhood is not a 'mode' It's a biological reality - no on and off switch. Nor is it a feeling in a man's head. The sheer arrogance is astonishing.

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11053273/Eddie-Izzard-sports-fresh-platinum-blonde-pixie-cut-pink-mini-dress.html

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ErrolTheDragon · 28/07/2022 08:23

namechange7654 · 28/07/2022 08:02

Does anyone know what ED's stance is on women's rights? Does he expect to be allowed into women's spaces when he's wearing a dress?

I don't really mind the phrase "girl-mode", so long as no one actually thinks it means anything! I do see how it adds to the generally batshittery, but if he's not an actively campaigning TRA then I'm not sure he should be held responsible for their actions.

He's been going into womens loos since he was 23, when he first started cross dressing. He seems proud of this in his memoirs. Note also the lack of respect for lesbians' orientation (he's called himself 'a lesbian trapped in a man's bodyHmm).

https://www.vulture.com/2017/06/eddie-izzard-memoir-believe-me.html

ladygindiva · 28/07/2022 08:23

georgarina · 28/07/2022 07:26

Imagine if a white actor sometimes dressed up as a stereotypical black person and said they were in 'black mode.' But stayed in 'white mode' when it was convenient.

This. It's quite clear what the pecking order is when it comes to being allowed to be offended.

Year2000 · 28/07/2022 08:08

Eddie might see it as a superhero thing but I see it as a misogyny thing. If a woman wore that dress the press would berate them for their weight and size of their stomach. Eddie gets praise. These double standards are a good demonstration of what it is really like to live as a woman - which Eddie is not doing.

JennyForeigner · 28/07/2022 08:07

Since he stopped just being a bloke in a dress it all just feels a bit... try hard. Like work is boring 'boy mode' but endurance is 'girl mode' is it? Well great! That really f*ing makes up for thousands of years of patriarchy, male privilege and contemporary oppression of millions of women and girls. We're cool and you feel girly when you run fast.

You were fine as you were Eddie. The explaining is not helping.

beastlyslumber · 28/07/2022 08:06

Total narcissist.

Sadza · 28/07/2022 08:05

Which loos will he use at the airport?

achillestoes · 28/07/2022 08:04

Izzard wants to inhabit a stereotypical idea of femininity, some of the time. I find that a bit distasteful, but wouldn’t prevent people doing it by law. For me the infinitely more dangerous thing is the idea that, when Izzard puts on stockings and a wig, Izzard becomes a woman and we all have to call Izzard ‘she’. It’s wholly The Emperor’s New Clothes, and I don’t have an emperor so Izzard can jog on.

namechange7654 · 28/07/2022 08:02

Does anyone know what ED's stance is on women's rights? Does he expect to be allowed into women's spaces when he's wearing a dress?

I don't really mind the phrase "girl-mode", so long as no one actually thinks it means anything! I do see how it adds to the generally batshittery, but if he's not an actively campaigning TRA then I'm not sure he should be held responsible for their actions.

NotTerfNorCis · 28/07/2022 07:59

This is the new thinking. Yes, there have been different social expectations for men and women in every culture. But ours is the first culture where if you dress according to the norms of the opposite sex, people are supposed to pretend you are the opposite sex.

Musomama1 · 28/07/2022 07:53

Unfortunately Izzard is in that modern trans group that involves part time cross dressing men. Who now feel entitled to call themselves women when they feel in the mood.

Even India Willoughby had problems with this a few years ago.

To me this is one of the daftest branches of transgenderism and one where we see the dodgiest looking unpassable males feeling free to come into women's spaces.

If Izzard wants to up his cross dressing that's his prerogative, but to say he is a woman makes him look utterly foolish, no matter how well regarded he has been, save for a tiny amount of cognitive dissonance diehards.

NyanBinaryJohn · 28/07/2022 07:51

You can put lipstick on a pig...

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/07/2022 07:48

I also don’t understand the tone of the article. Dressing in traditionally female clothing is easy. It’s the rest of being a being a woman, that’s hard.

georgarina · 28/07/2022 07:47

Walkingtheplank · 28/07/2022 07:36

Why do we think the DM has been so gushing?
I get that the article is click bait but the tone surprises me.

It's all for the comments.
Same as when they post unflattering bikini pics with descriptions of how amazing the person looks, then wait for all the outraged comments contradicting them.

Walkingtheplank · 28/07/2022 07:36

Why do we think the DM has been so gushing?
I get that the article is click bait but the tone surprises me.

SquirrelSoShiny · 28/07/2022 07:31

AgnestaVipers · 28/07/2022 01:26

A huge disappointment.

I respected him when he was broadening the bandwidth of what it is to be a man.

This.

JacquelinePot · 28/07/2022 07:29

I can't say everything I really think about Eddie because I'll get a strike, so I'll just say that I'm so incredibly disappointed that he turned out to be so incredibly sexist. Dresses and make up don't only have to be for women and girls, what irks me is the "modes", but I honestly find the false breasts offensive.

georgarina · 28/07/2022 07:26

Imagine if a white actor sometimes dressed up as a stereotypical black person and said they were in 'black mode.' But stayed in 'white mode' when it was convenient.

BruceAndNosh · 28/07/2022 07:22

There are a lot more acting roles for 60 year old men than 60 year old women. So it's handy that Eddie doesn't need to be a woman full time.

PearPickingPorky · 28/07/2022 07:12

Girl-mode for the thrills, boy-mode when he has something important to do like a big-money acting role.

If only women had the same opportunities. Instead we're stuck living in woman-mode all day every day despite the inconvenience and dangers, while he engages in some sort of gender tourism.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 28/07/2022 07:07

I will not be calling him she. That's for sure.

AsTreesWalking · 28/07/2022 06:52

Comeback and tell us about 'girl mode', Eddie, when you've nearly died from being female.
(So many ways for this to happen, from sex-based violence to childbirth)

Motnight · 28/07/2022 06:43

I used to love Eddie when he described himself accurately as a man in a frock. I saw him perform at least half a dozen times.

Eddie is funny (or he was, no idea now) and clever, so why can't he see how ridiculous his girl mode /boy mode is? His criticism of teenage girls who asked why he was in the womens' toilets years ago showed him to be a man upset that women weren't just falling into line with what he wanted.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 28/07/2022 06:04

"Girl mode"? The irony of that is that it puts 10+ years on a man to dress up as a woman. Something to do with face shape, thicker necks, broader features, I'm not sure. Anyway I've never understood why a nice looking man in his 20s finds it a turn-on to whack on a frock wig and make-up that makes him look like a smartly dressed woman in her forties... but they do. Of course Eddie Izzard is way beyond "girl " age anyway so he must be using the word in some other way. Some gay men used to refer to each other as "girls", maybe that's what he means.

I respected him when he was broadening the bandwidth of what it is to be a man.

Yes, I felt the same way. Feel let down now.

Bhu · 28/07/2022 06:04

I think with the statements about being relaxed about pronouns and talking about ‘modes’ rather than womanhood he is actually more sensible and in touch with reality than most TRAs. He doesn’t ever claim to be an actual woman. I feel like it’s everyone else tripping over themselves to call him ‘she’ that make it absurd. I just wish he would wear those clothes without the fake boobs, they make him look ridiculous.

goldfinchonthelawn · 28/07/2022 04:05

crosstalk · 27/07/2022 23:55

I don't know what I think. He's very funny, has done multiple marathons, done stand up comedy in French and German. If he's a man one day and a woman the next, I couldn't care providing he's not impacting on women. I don't know what his position is on trans activism.

The most tone deaf piece I aever read was Eddie in The Guardian with Sarah Everard sharing the front page with him and him saying how much he loved being dressed as a woman and then when men gave him unwanted attention in the street he turned on them, all butch and deep voiced and scared them off. Just like the real woman he is. Silly Sarah Everard. She should have just switched on her man mode, like Eddie did and she'd have been fine.

Oh the luxury of dipping in and out of womanhood. We should all do it more often.

Tosser. Abject tosser. I have no respect for the man at all now. Used to find him quite funny but the egocentricity that can't see the facts beyond his own self-centred desires makes my stomach turn.

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