Stonewall, The FA and Womens football

I heard a radio interview earlier in the week with a woman ex professional footballer who said she had played against boys as a teen to play at a higher standard.

Women and girls need to be able to play challenging, competitive football against other female teams. The FA could be developing this and showing genuine diversity, not being diverted by rainbows.

"It is good practice to ask a trans person what would work best for them"

I suppose it is bad practice to as women what would work best for them.

The reason the team is all white is do with the centres of excellence that young players attended being difficult to reach from inner city areas. Classic inclusion fail for a body that bores on and on about inclusion but does nothing meaningful whatsoever.

I haven’t been able to download the FActrans policy but saw this.

Perhaps it is not absolutely quite as straight forward as just joining the team you identify with (if you are over 16)? even if it is still a problem:
Ist few paragraphs from the BBC.

A Yorkshire football club which includes transgender players says an "intrusive" FA policy is preventing it from joining a bigger league.

^Under FA rules, trans people must seek special approval to play in its leagues.
The Yorkshire Terriers, who currently play in a mixed-gender league, claim the policy on transgender players is "exclusive, not inclusive".^

^The FA argues its policy helps players and ensures safety and fair play.
According to FA rules, players aged 16 and over must not play in mixed teams, while its 2014 Policy on Trans People in Football states transgender players may apply to the FA for approval to play in their "affirmed gender".^

It states that each application is considered on a "case-by-case basis", and in "most cases" applications are approved.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-61745572

I am just watching Channel 4 news on catch up. They are talking about women’s football now. Somehow young black girls are getting left out/finding it difficult to find a place in the game. It was better 10 years ago.

Baroness Sue Campbell is head of FA women’s football (speaking about the winning team). I wonder if she has thought about the trans inclusion policy? It might be worth writing to her.

She is saying they want equal opportunity for girls. It is ironic.

Trans doesn't have to be medical, it includes anyone who socially transitions only, or simply identifies as a cross dresser.

Trans players can play on the team their gender identity matches.

Showers, changing rooms and toilets should be accessible based on their self identified gender.

Showers, changing rooms and toilets should be accessible based on their self identified gender.

"Some trans women may be happy to change or shower in open facilities alongside other women" "It is good practice to ask a trans person what would work best for them"

It is beyond belief that they can keep a straight face and say, It is good practice to ask a trans person [man] what would work for them

What about, “It is good practice, and manners, to ask people [women] if they are happy to have a trans person [man] in their changing room.”

I didn’t realise you could identify as a cross dresser. Linguistically, does that make sense as a state of being?

I was coming on the thread to mention Blair Hamilton…

Well, @crosstalk, you'd like to think so, but this man, Blair Hamilton, has already been selected for England university's squad.

Whatever happens on Sunday, the Lionesses should be surely safe because of public opinion from stray male lions? but what also matters is what happens at the beginning of the football journey for young women. Is it worth questioning the FA now on their policy about safety and comfort for girls in changing rooms?

@Mochudubh
You bet the FA would!
Thankfully the Nationalelf are still all female.

My daughter has played football since under 7, she's now 14 and has dropped football because, as a striker, she does not want to go head to head with a male bodied goalkeeper. Thankfully, she thinks this, as I wouldn't have let her anyway. Shame on the FA.
Girls ARE dropping out because of 'inclusion'. Oh, the irony.

Just to be clear, I don't watch football and have no idea if there are any trans people in any of the teams, I'm speculating what would happen.

Yep, I am sure rainbow laces and arm bands will abound there.

I'll bet if (hypothetically) Germany were to win the final having fielded a 6 foot 4, built like a brick shithouse transwoman the FA may take a different tack.

It's all rainbow washing anyway. Next men's World Cup is in Qatar, isn't it?

Considering they were historically the major LGB charity, Stonewall have been doing a quite frankly woeful job of advocating for and normalising gay players IMO, since I think there is currently only one openly “out” player in the men’s game, which makes him precisely the second of all time to come out while still playing.

Perhaps they could have made more inroads and helped make life a little better for LGB players if they had spent less time and fewer resources on single-mindedly working to saturate corporations with sexist and homophobic gender ideology over the last ten years or so?

Didn't Nadine Dorries put a shot across the bows on this recently? I know the Government is in flux at the moment regarding the leadership, however, it was heavily hinted that if Sports Associations didn't keep women's sports women only legislation will force them to do so.

It would be an absolute horror show if after the English Women's Football team have done so well and become such role models for young girls the FA chuck all this down the toilet in the pursuance of this damaging, misogynistic ideology.

This is the tragedy of stonewall, that in some fields such as football, there's still a need for a strong campaigning group on behalf of LGB people. Afaik the LGB alliance hasn't quite got the critical mass yet to pick up the strain.

Doesn't the FA ban displays of political or religious nature?

1. Slogans, statements, images and advertising

Equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images. Players must not reveal undergarments that show political, religious, personal slogans, statements or images, or advertising other than the manufacturer's logo. For any offence the player and/or the team will be sanctioned by the competition organiser, national football association or by FIFA.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-4---the-players-equipment

"Sometimes a young person’s parents struggle with their child’s trans identity and refuse to use the young person’s chosen name and/or pronoun . however, you can still respect the young person’s preferences at your club . It is often the case that when parents see other responsible organisations such as schools and football clubs acknowledging their child’s identity, they begin their own journey towards acceptance . at the same time, your football club becomes a valuable haven for the young person where their identity is respected, and where they can be themselves ."
Isn’t this the definition of grooming? Telling children that you know them better than their own parents? If you have a concern about a particular child doesn’t the NSPCC advise contacting child protection services?