How is this offensive?

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I agree with the argument, but not the delivery.

The woman should've gone home & emailed/tweeted Oxfam to say she was looking forward to shopping at their Blank St, Anytown branch but was dissuaded by the hostile, homophobic & misogynistic poster so went elsewhere.

No point berating the poor volunteer.

(spidey senses also on full alert - 'GC as they come', aye?)

This. Yes it's a fairly bland poster and message as they go but it just seems a bit virtue signally and unnecessary? I mean why wouldn't trans people assume they'd not be welcomed in a flipping charity shop? It's hardly the women's toilets or swimming podium or somewhere where the gc rights debate is raging - I can't imagine why anyone would need to be specifically assured of their safety and welcome in an oxfam shop more than any other public space.

So if there is little to no point in it then it is just a bit of a waste of money that surely could have been spent better elsewhere - even if its elsewhere with a focus on trans people in a way that might actually affect them!

Actually the shop can put whatever they want in the window as long as it is not breaking any law. There is no law saying that you should not promote the Pride event...

And this lady is then perfectly entitled not to shop there if this does not match her values.

It was wrong of her to have a go at your daughter. What she is suggesting is censorship. People are entitled to have different opinions and she can choose to spend her money elsewhere.

I'm gender criticaltoo but I don't get why it is offensive? Maybe those posting the sarcastic responses could just explain? This board is such a hostile place.

I saw that poster in Oxfam and Cats Protection, I had some nice things, including some scrap gold, I was going to donate, there, I walked past and took my donation to a hospice charity shop. Hopefully they were not Stonewalled.

Was it oxfam that was notably staffed with sexual predators in many of its poverty stricken foreign locations, or was that another charity?

I'm confused. I'm as gender critical as they come but

Aye, right. My TRA detector's flashing.

It's a political statement rather than a neutral, welcoming one. We know this because people - mainly women - have been hounded, attacked, abused online, doxed, lost their jobs - because they don't believe in 'gender' identity even though it is a protected belief.

Oxfam should have given your DD customer services and complaints' training. The best way to defuse a situation is to thank the customer for bringing the issue to your attention and say you'll escalate it.

That is very good advice and can apply to many situations an employee/volunteer encounters.

I think you should warn your DD not to engage but refer the customer to Oxfam management - they can write in if no one is present. She could put her own views across which could be taken as those of the charity and get into trouble. A simple reply of "I'm sorry I can't discuss with you, but please put your view to Oxfam management" is all I'd be saying.

If you've got a better idea about how to keep malea out of female sports, prison, rape crisis groups, toilets etc, I'm up for hearing it.

But on the other hand, I don't think that sending out a "all welcome" message is so awful.

Of course it's not. I think one of two things was going on:

1. A lot of people see the pride flag (particularly the new one that this is an adaptation of) as synonymous with Genderism and so threatening to women's rights. Whereas a lot of people using the pride flag still see it as about being welcoming and tolerent.
2. Alternatively some people never liked the pride movement, seeing it as attacking their 'traditional' values, and use the latest controversies to fuel attacks they would have made anyway.

It’s a shame women can’t identify their way out of being disproportionately affected by poverty.

Perhaps this is what she was thinking of.

The polling of the general public shows this is remains a low priority issue and when things get too heated everyone not aligned to what they perceive to be 'a side' zones out.

Depends what you ask, doesn't it?

Ask my dad about 'trans rights' and you'd get a 'meh'. Ask him what he thinks about blokes going into his granddaughters' toilets at schools and you'd have to fetch his blood pressure tablets.

The latest YouGov poll does actually split by sex. Sadly, 'be kind' and female socialization seem to be showing up as a result.

Rainbow flags in marketing have been a thing for about two decades. There are various arguments in support of and against, from various different groups. Lots of LGB people are opposed to 'rainbow washing'.

Rainbow capitalism is a phrase:

'the recent surge in popularity of Daniel Quasar’s Progress Flag may not be as widespread as it would seem. Only 11% of respondents chose the Progress Flag as most representative of Pride Month.'

clydegroup.com/new-survey-shows-divided-perception-on-pride-flag-rainbow-capitalism-among-company-stakeholders/

'Rainbow capitalism is pandering'

'we, queer and straight people alike, need to demand that the pandering be done in good faith.'

www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-rainbow-capitalism-pride-month-1.6042417

As is rainbow-washing:

www.marketingweek.com/ritson-transforming-logos-rainbow-washing/

www.marketplace.org/2021/06/28/the-colorful-history-and-precarious-future-of-rainbow-washing/

TheKeatingFive · Today 08:43

Lots of things are important, but not top of mind for the public. As it happens, people do want to engage with this topic when the specifics are spelled out.

I’d be interested to know the results of polls based on the responses of women over 21 to potential clashes of trans rights with women and children’s well being/rights.

Then one based on men’s views.

I don’t think You Gov has done sex based polls yet, or am I wrong?

No, you probably don't.

But what specific 'purity' are you talking about that's so offputting?

Lots of things are important, but not top of mind for the public. As it happens, people do want to engage with this topic when the specifics are spelled out.

No, you probably don't.

The polling of the general public shows this is remains a low priority issue and when things get too heated everyone not aligned to what they perceive to be 'a side' zones out.

Culture wars are off-putting to most, this issue should not be allowed to be turned into a culture war issue as it is far more important than that. The way this issue has got turned into a political football is not helpful as it weakens the core position and sows division.

You know what they say about complaints - they are actually a gift as most people - the vast majority- don't complain. They just take their business elsewhere.

I would like to see some research on how people respond to aggressively rainbowed marketing. It is an overt political symbol. Divisive and I would say has the opposite effect of making anyone - except those who support a narrow political view - feel included.

The progressive rainbow is hostile and alienating for many people.

Oh gawd, the idea of 'marching in solidarity' with a load of people promoting the homophobic dangerous gibberish that is the new religion of the T+ isn't my idea of 'inclusive'. That's my idea of hell.

but I am just going to repeat that the purity required from BOTH sides is off putting

What purity are you talking about from the GC side? I honestly don't know what you mean.

Or maybe they have both posters up already?

Repeat it all you want - there is still no proof and 'both sides are as bad as each other' is clearly a matter of spin not fact. The GC lobby are not trying to remove people's rights, having not written documents about how to sneak in regressive changes to policy and language and have not sent people death and rape threats.