Doctors set out medical guidelines for trans men giving birth - Times

There's an article in the Guardian too:

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/27/rcog-advises-greater-support-for-trans-men-chest-feeding-babies

This.

I have never felt such amazement, awe and pride in the female human body that I have in the days after I’ve given birth. It’s an incredible thing that only a (biological) woman can do, for someone who rejects their female body to embrace that seems very weird to me

I think having specific guidance which can be rolled out for trans men is a really good thing, as long as it’s kept separate from biological women and the terms used specifically for them.

chestfeeding is utter nonsense as are the references to sperm freezing in trans women - what does that have to do with gynaecology?

trans women in wards with female patients is absolutely and utterly terrifying

I don't know why but I found the section where they're blithely handing out hysterectomies quite chilling. Perhaps because they may be medically unnecessary (depending on how testosterone has ravaged a female body) and likely to be young women who may desist/detrans.

@goodmorningcampers I won't make the obvious crack, that wait is appalling.

I can totally get on board with mangling the language and erasing women because obviously, the most traumatic thing about this scenario would be if sexed language was used around a transman giving birth.
🙄🙄

a womens health physio talks about the effect of testosterone on the foetus, the mother and the potential grandchildren on this video.

why are medics coming out with anti science but a physio is calling out the lack of evidence?

this is so dangerous. We need a Cochran review.

hysterectomies, when the womb is surgically removed, should be offered to transgender men

I've been on NHS waiting list for 18 months 😡

Alternative suggestion:

"Our service users are all female, therefore HCPs should use woman-centred language.

Some service users do not identify as women and may be distressed by the use of woman-centred language. In order to support these service users’ engagement with their health care, HCPs should ask whether they prefer to be addressed using gender-neutral terminology.

(List of non-triggering terminology.)

For clarity, all organs and procedures should be called by the medically correct names, and these names should be explained if necessary.”

Surely...Obstetrics and Gynaecology = FEMALE

So what is the relevance to males who choose to identify as women?

Any hormonal or surgical treatments that transwomen may need care for would be responsibility of Endocrine and Plastic Surgery teams?

Calling something a 'Neovagina' does not make it an actual vagina. From what I've read so far, it would appear to be a permanent wound that would require the relevant treatment & care.

The NHS is imploding at the moment. Ambulances queuing for 12 hours plus outside A&E. waiting lists soaring, but hey they’ve got time to fuck around with this kind of bullshit! 🙄

Thankfully, the document is only guidance so it can be ignored completely, as it should be. The NHS needs to get back to basics instead of trying to force all this ideological rubbish on everyone.

I have absolutely no issue with them using different language for Transmen - as long as it doesn't change the language for the rest of us.

I have never chest fed. I have breast fed.

As for TW on a female ward - just totally wrong. I would not want to be on a ward with a TW. It would make me feel particularly uncomfortable. It's not just safety. It's about dignity. When a woman is at her most vulnerable, the last thing she needs to be doing is validating a born male.

I don't necessarily think they should be on a male ward. Possibly private room with private facilities. But ultimately my main concern is the safety and dignity of myself or my female loved one.

Thanks for the link. I assume Sajid Javid will be part of the consultation and I hope he will have a lot to say. Have they really specified that 'transwomen should be put on female wards' but evaded stating where transmen should be placed? I suppose that could be the reporting.

What this confirms for me is that we need to watch who gets certain roles in the next cabinet just as closely as who is elected PM.

A read of Peter Daly's article helps to explain the state the NHS has got itself into. There is a thread here on MN that links to the article. It's long but worth the time.

Not sure why that got deleted! Probably the dictionary definition. Sigh.

There won't be any Transwomen pregnancies.

Going through with the pregnancy is a choice, though? I suppose there'd be the occasional case where they didn't know they were pregnant, but those must be rare.

They have assumed that women who don't say they'e trans are cis. Highly disrespectful.

We have to have the language changed for all women because of a very few?
Why?

Interesting this guidance seems to erase women like me - biologically female, but with no gender identity. What happens to us? Do we not exist now?

*I'm talking about trans men who take T, not those who don't do anything other than claim they're a man.

Real mixture of stuff in there. Some definitely needed (of course the NHS should offer screening based on sex, it is ridiculous that it allows transmen to be forgotten about for cervical screening etc).

Some things I would class as ‘in an ideal world’ so elective surgery (hysterectomy for example). We know women generally find the NHS reluctant to perform this surgery - the same criteria should be used for everyone - is it medically necessary and how necessary.

Some things appear harmful to other groups (mainly women) such as transwomen on female wards, use of less clear language.