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Here we go again: woman told she can't have a stall at a community event

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ScreamingMeMe · 26/07/2022 18:11

From twitter:

"I’ve just been informed I am not allowed to sell soaps at a local event because of a conversation on a local board about TRA - my angle? That both sides are valid and no one is coming from a place of cruelty. How is this anything but an attack on free speech? "

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Here we go again: woman told she can't have a stall at a community event
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MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/10/2022 10:31

I've been using her lovely soaps and they're a delight. Highly recommended.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/10/2022 09:39

FWR sometimes has an Xmas gift suggestions thread (nice things from ethical suppliers etc) - sounds like Fiona should be on it.Smile

BlueBrush · 01/10/2022 09:34

Ah, @WashAsDelicates , that's really spooky, because, fresh out of the shower, I've just been thinking I need to post something similar! I've been using her lime and indigo goatsmilk soap for a while, and its gorgeous. Looking forward to using the others. Highly recommend ti anyone who enjoys a good hand made soap.

WashAsDelicates · 01/10/2022 08:32

I’ve been using Fiona’s conditioner bar for a few weeks now, and from the very first use it has had a gorgeous effect on my hair. Soft and wavy, lovely. Totally recommend it.

The shampoo bar is so gentle that it doesn’t dry my skin at all (which is usually a problem for my face after shampooing).

I am allergic to fragrances, and it makes such a change to use products that smell herby and lovely, rather than smelling like PVA glue.

I also like that the packaging is basic and unfussy. Just brown paper. No environmentally wasteful stuff, apart from the necessary and recyclable padded envelope.

Very pleased to be supporting this woman’s business.

DameHelena · 28/07/2022 10:29

StellaAndCrow · 27/07/2022 18:40

Maybe Fiona could make some "Wash Your Mouth Out" soap.
Soap for Outspoken Women!

Love it. I will totally buy this if it makes it to market Grin

SpottyBumPony · 28/07/2022 10:08

I have also placed an order, her soaps look lovely

EdithStourton · 28/07/2022 07:32

Contacted her to place an order.
Here's hoping that twonk Andy has scored a massive own goal.

SingingSands · 27/07/2022 23:48

Just ordered a box of soaps as they sound wonderful, and Fiona sounds wonderful and Andy can stick his patronising, creepy virtual signals where the sun don't shine, the self pontificating little twit.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2022 23:26

I will definitely be checking out her website for Xmas gifts and probably tablet soap for myself. It annoys me that it's hard to avoid buying from companies that have been Stonewalled (other genderwoo companies are also available). This will be an absolute pleasure.

WashAsDelicates · 27/07/2022 21:08

Namechanged for this to preserve my anonymity.

I've just been emailing Fiona and she is making up a batch of fragrance-free shampoo for me to try one. So if, like me, you're allergic, email her via https://salisburysoaps.com/contact-salisbury-soaps/ to order one as it may not appear on her website.

DaughterofDawn · 27/07/2022 19:37

StellaAndCrow · 27/07/2022 18:40

Maybe Fiona could make some "Wash Your Mouth Out" soap.
Soap for Outspoken Women!

This is gold. Please do it. I will buy it.

SpindleInTheWind · 27/07/2022 19:37

Not only Forstater now to quote back at Andy.

Some cracking stuff too today in Bailey vs Garden Court Chambers and Stonewall from Employment Judge Goodman and the Tribunal.

MrGHardy · 27/07/2022 19:33

"I'm in charge for signing up businesses for People in the Park".

There we have it. A single person and their ideology can cancel someone.

littlbrowndog · 27/07/2022 19:11

Jeez she is selling soap. Selling soap

a small business selling great soap

and some Andy dude thinks she is not culturally pure enough to sell soap

WTAF

StellaAndCrow · 27/07/2022 18:40

Maybe Fiona could make some "Wash Your Mouth Out" soap.
Soap for Outspoken Women!

StellaAndCrow · 27/07/2022 18:37

Ah, nice! By someone on Twitter.

Here we go again: woman told she can't have a stall at a community event
StellaAndCrow · 27/07/2022 18:36

And what if you or they find out that there are other stallholders at the event that hold the same views, but Andy hasn't found evidence of them? How can they justify banning you but not them?
What other views do they ban?
How dangerous is your soap to LGBT people?

And do they really mean LGBT, or do they just mean T?

Have they explained what is so ban-worthily horrendous about saying both sides of an argument are valid?

paisley256 · 27/07/2022 11:54

I've also placed my order, as others have said, you've done absolutely nothing wrong here and good on you for standing up to them.

Whatwouldscullydo · 27/07/2022 11:46

Fgs. People believe all sorts of things they are allowed to. I probably serve all sorts if racists and homophones and misogynists at work. As long as they behave appropriately in the building its bugger all to do with me tbh.

Same with staff they are free to believe what they like provided a basic level of professionalism and civility is maintained.

If not it would be dealt with.

How have people honestly got to the point where you have to pass all these tests which no one even knows they ate taking just to work or enter somewhere.

LK1972 · 27/07/2022 11:34

Just placed my order, very exited for my delivery, and will make it a recurring order if I like the products Smile

And if you're reading this Fiona, thank you so much for not just accepting this BS.

You did nothing wrong and are fully entitled to your very polite, and legally protected, opinions, good luck for getting a remedy on this! Flowers

DrMorbius · 27/07/2022 10:47

Yes send Andy a copy of the Peter Daly article. You could also paraphrase the part -
CGD incorrectly viewed Maya Forstater’s gender critical beliefs as inherently in opposition to CGD’s perception of trans rights. This is the error that led CGD to take unlawful actions, and then sign off with -
See you in court Andy.
Best Regards
ScreamingMeMe (She/Her) 😀

Sophoclesthefox · 27/07/2022 07:39

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/07/2022 22:31

I think I'd be sending Andy a copy of this article by Peter Daly (Maya's solicitor) . Looks as if he's in need of a bit of educating about the law, beliefs that are WORIAD and how to live alongside people who don't agree with all his personal beliefs.

www.linkedin.com/pulse/morality-plays-lessons-forstater-peter-daly

That’s a terrific article.

who knew that soap could be rendered contaminated and un-sellable by naughty beliefs?

The ridiculousness of “we are completely committed to being extremely inclusive to all, and we’re going to do that by excluding you” never ceases to amaze me.

DaughterofDawn · 27/07/2022 06:04

Funny because the about me says they are not affiliated with any party or movement. But they reply says differently in my opinion. Or they are worried that they will be considered guilty by association and even if they aren’t necessarily against the ideas they don’t want to be bothered with the bad press it could potentially mean even if OP is simply selling soap. They’re afraid of getting canceled.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 27/07/2022 01:26

SuperCamp · 26/07/2022 21:56

Hmmm. People in the Park doesn't look the most packed and vibrant event....
www.transitionsalisbury.org/copy-of-pitp-2020

Much better selling your products on MN, Fiona!

I'm seeing those photos as a slideshow with a voice-over, a bit like the old 'Stooonybrudge' films. ("Ut's vud-AY-oh!") What was that called? Frank Hovis, etc.

As recommended on MN, I've googled it & it's 'Absolutely'.

Ignore me, I'll go away now.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 27/07/2022 00:30

I don't know if you've seen this but you could consider sending or quoting it as it feels like it could have written about them