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"Being Untoward About Paedophiles" a new crime?

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StellaAndCrow · 24/07/2022 18:17

Kelly-Jay Keen has been visited by the police, accused of "being untoward about paedophiles".
Yes, really.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/07/2022 19:38

Goodness PurgatoryOfPotholes
Unbelievable that they can find the time to harass KJK rather than sorting out their extensive policing failures. Maybe this is an example of how poor the policing is in Wiltshire?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 24/07/2022 19:36

PearlClutch · 24/07/2022 19:29

Cripes, Potholes. That's not a police force I would have confidence in.

Third worst when it comes to the timeframes of rape investigations.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557665-thousands-of-rape-victims-left-waiting-since-2020-for-police-charging-decisions

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 24/07/2022 19:36

As for reporting back to the complainant - wtf?

Over the years I've sadly had to report my ex multiple times for harassment and more serious stuff. Never have they ever reported back to me following speaking to or interviewing him.

PearlClutch · 24/07/2022 19:29

Cripes, Potholes. That's not a police force I would have confidence in.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 24/07/2022 19:27

The latest HMICFRS PEEL inspection found Wiltshire Police was ‘inadequate’ in three areas and ‘requires improvement’ in five other areas and said “urgent improvements” must be made.

In particular, some domestic abuse victims had received “an unacceptable level of service” that put them at continuing risk.

Wiltshire and Swindon police and crime commissioner (PCC) Philip Wilkinson said the inspectorate’s report was “a sobering read and highly disappointing”.

HMICFRS said the inadequate areas included how the force responds to the public, how it protects vulnerable people and strategic planning and value for money.

The force was graded as requires improvement in preventing crime, investigating crime, its treatment of the public, managing offenders and developing a positive workplace

Wiltshire Police is already one of six forces in England currently placed in special measures after it was moved into the inspectorate’s Engage monitoring process last month.

Published July 2022

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/07/2022 19:25

Just to be clear, is the accusation really hate speech against paedophilia, or has she used unrelated hate speech against someone who also happens to be a paedophile? (ie has she attacked the trans identity of a paedophile?)

She said in the video that she thinks the policeman tripped up on his words, and that the person actually accused her of calling someone a paedophile. But he didn't seem to know much about what the actual complaint was. It's all a bit Keystone Kops.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/07/2022 19:22

Don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather talk about the outrageous intimidation tactics of weaponising the police against women, and their outrageous collusion with it, than the same irrelevant, lazy deflections certain people post on every thread.

PearlClutch · 24/07/2022 19:19

If my country had banned abortion, I don't think my strategy to fix the problem would be raging online at women in another country with different laws.

EffedOffred · 24/07/2022 19:18

It is Stonewall that does the forced teaming of trans and gay issues, I don't believe that they are in any way the same:

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 24/07/2022 19:17

You all may be of the opinion that you can somehow excise the T and Q from the LGB without harming the Gay community but by teaming up with right wingers like Marjorie Taylor Green, who voted against codifying same sex marriage in the US this week, you are carrying water for them

for the love of god can people stop with the ‘you all’ and the ‘teaming’

youve no idea what ‘all’ the women on this board believe

its a huge and lazy generalisation

Boxowine · 24/07/2022 19:14

PP said that she 100 per cent agrees with Marjorie Taylor Green that the LGBTQ community is indoctrinating and grooming children.

Personally, I think that it's wrong to amplify a claim that the Gays are child molesters. She may have meant to focus on drag shows but what she actually said was LGBTQ. I do think this is dangerous. Gay people have had these kinds of attacks levelled at them for ages, especially in the US. These kinds of statements are inflammatory.

I expect to see multiple "we're just concerned about safeguarding" responses but I don't expect to see anyone taking note of all the ways children are not protected that doesn't involve the LGBTQ community. Pope Francis is travelling to Canada to apologize for the decades of abuse perpetrated on First Nations children but I don't expect to see PP having anything to say about that.

You all may be of the opinion that you can somehow excise the T and Q from the LGB without harming the Gay community but by teaming up with right wingers like Marjorie Taylor Green, who voted against codifying same sex marriage in the US this week, you are carrying water for them.

PearlClutch · 24/07/2022 19:08

I don't think it was made at all clear, BlueMum. From what I can gather,, the policeman hadn't watched the video concerned and didn't tell her what video it was that was the problem.

I hope she sues the arse off them.

BaronessWrongCrowdRex · 24/07/2022 19:08

Oh dearie me @woolwinder , oh dearie dearie me. That wasn’t very nice was it. Calling a successful Women’s Rights campaigner a ‘creature’ really says more about you than it does about her.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 24/07/2022 19:08

I recommend that posters read this.

www.policeprofessional.com/news/chief-constable-vows-to-improve-force-after-serious-concerns-raised-by-hmicfrs/

BlueMumDays · 24/07/2022 19:02

Just to be clear, is the accusation really hate speech against paedophilia, or has she used unrelated hate speech against someone who also happens to be a paedophile? (ie has she attacked the trans identity of a paedophile?)

Georgeskitchen · 24/07/2022 18:57

Haven't the police been told to stop investigating online spats and start doing their job properly? A senior officer must surely have sanctioned the visit by 2 young constables.
This senior officer should be made to publicy explain his/her actions

PearlClutch · 24/07/2022 18:56

Can we write to the police force involved?

CrossStichQueen · 24/07/2022 18:55

Oops wrong thread sorry.

Aseagullatemybaby · 24/07/2022 18:55

So a paedophile has launched a complaint against her for spreading word about safety concerns for children against paedophiles and the police thought they’d investigate the woman instead of the paedophile making the complaint 🤔

What a fuckin world we live in!

CrossStichQueen · 24/07/2022 18:55

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 24/07/2022 18:54

I know we dont do dictionary definitions in this brave new world but are they saying KJK has been unexpected and inappropriate or inconvenient to pedophiles

i mean what would that actually even look like

AlisonDonut · 24/07/2022 18:50

PearlClutch · 24/07/2022 18:48

They really are saying the quiet part out loud, aren't they?

Aren't they just.

Neither officer thought 'hang on, what's such a crime about being untoward about paedophiles'?

Oh my they really have shot themselves in the foot here.

ihavenocats · 24/07/2022 18:50

Some legislation is deliberately vague and can encompass many things, which is the point.

EffedOffred · 24/07/2022 18:49

The police officer admitted that he hadn't even watched the video where she was accused of being 'untoward to pedophiles':
She asked him if he would be sent round if someone posted a racist video & he said no
She acknowledged that he was well out of his depth but he kept going, saying that he would have to report back to the complainant, so she gave him a list of things to say:
I love her, she is fearless and never supine: She is protecting women's rights, and safeguarding children:

AlisonDonut · 24/07/2022 18:49

dropthevipers · 24/07/2022 18:35

Still not clear what actual offence is supposed to have happened here. Just when you thought this shit show could not get weirder, it does.

They claimed she had been untoward about paedophiles. They did not watch or specify which video. Just a man reported it.