Judith Butler in The New Statesman

"Idealogy". Would that be cops shouldn't kill unarmed people in the street? We shouldn't have the highest incarceration rate in the world? We shouldn't have decades long mandatory minimum sentences for non violent crime? Incarcerated pregnant women shouldn't be shackled while giving birth? Operating prisons should not be a for profit enterprise?
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I have no expectations for FWR to concern themselves with solving these problems but I am constantly seeing posters trying to connect issues that have nothing to do with trans rights to TRAs without understanding the collateral damage they are incurring for women in the US. Or they don't care. Or it's intentional.

What rich white men? Dominiowhatsism?

I'm sorry but you seem to be making a series of random and very bizarre assertions that are not really tethered to any form of reality as most people would recognise it.

WAIT!!!!!!

You are Judith Butler and I claim my ten pounds.

Someone on here is Judith Butler. Has to be. Couldn't possibly get a thread so parsnip terrier nail polish hegemonic glitter, otherwise.

is JB actually doing anything on the abortion question? She doesn't seem big on actual action.

As Martha Nussbaum pointed out 23 years ago.

Still waiting for antifascist to make any comprehensible comment in relation to the video of the woman in Seattle being screamed at by violent Antifa thugs.

Does anti-fascist approve of the Antifa thugs intimidating that women?

well done on going from 0 to 11 on the irrational fury scale in record time though

I fear you may not understand my post @Boxowine . I suggest you start by watching the video posted by @TheLassWiADelicateAir and go from there

FWR at it again. There is no racism. Just TRAs inventing things. On their off days when they are not busy causing women to lose abortion rights.

Nothing to see here, pay no attention to the rich white men. They're not funding Christian Dominionism.

Does that Judith Butler even understand the oxford comma. What a scream! Only a self reflexive twit would even read her anyway.

Isn't that Jordan Peterson a dream? He only wants you to eat meat because it's good for you, not because agribusiness funds the Daily Wire.

Does being black mean a person should never be deported?

"From what you read" where are you reading such things?
Are you in the United States? Those of us who live here have a better handle on what is actually happening in terms of police killings.

Why are you bringing scenes of racial tension in the US into this?

It's hard to be sure because of the masks, but I read all of the main protagonists in that video as white. It was not then a scene of racial tension, but one of ideological tension I would say, which I would think is why lass posted it.

Racism absolutely exists in the US and is the cause of innumerable violations of basic human rights.

do you think white people trying to intimidate other white people into raising their fist in the street will do anything about that?

For context, this incident occurred in the aftermath of a police killing of a Black man.

does context ever make trying to bully others into displaying signs of affinity with your beliefs the right thing to do?

that people like JB seem to be exactly what's being described here, in that the audience's expectations work to force compliance with the audience's own creed.

That is a great article and it does seem to fit. Yes, there's absolutely no way she intended all this nonsense, I remember thinking there are basic incompatibilities between what she wrote and modern genderism. Though there are basic incompatibilities between modern genderism and any system of thought, provided it's coherent.

She's doing a great job of owning it though.

@TheLassWiADelicateAir
Why are you bringing scenes of racial tension in the US into this? If you want to do that you should do so within the context of the institutional racism that exists here. I could easily respond with videos of Black people being killed by police, footage of white supremacist rallies or images of lynchings and race riots/massacres.
Racism absolutely exists in the US and is the cause of innumerable violations of basic human rights. Such an environment will inevitably lead to public discord.
Posters on this page are constantly decrying forced teaming but are perfectly happy to link things together when they feel like it.
For context, this incident occurred in the aftermath of a police killing of a Black man. I don't think FWR would appreciate it someone took an image of the protest of Sarah Everard's murder and used to to show that feminists are all hellbent on destroying society.

I’m a stupid ignorant TRA because I agree with Judith and will stand with her against attempts to restrict / ban abortion ???

lmao. I was responding to the other username.

god, it would be nice to know this wouldn't it?

except she could never answer it, because there isn't an answer that aligns with her philosophy, in the same way as posters here run away when you ask them certain questions.

I saw this post by Gia Milinovich yesterday and read the article she refers to twitter.com/giagia/status/1550448508242640897?s=21&t=dUP0O73NeN3Sx2PQS2sitg

It occurred to me on reading this thread, especially the posts lauding JB, even going so far as to call JB a feminist or claiming JB's work has been beneficial to women, that people like JB seem to be exactly what's being described here, in that the audience's expectations work to force compliance with the audience's own creed.

So if JB says women are not oppressed because of our reproductive systems, why does she believe women are oppressed? Just people chosen at random or is there something we all have in common?

Yes, I think you're right.

Is your understanding of feminism as shallow as your understating of gender criticism? Feminism does not mean agreeing with everything any other woman says.

TRAs just really don't do nuance or debate do they? 🙄

Any hate, abuse, gaslighting do report, MN won't stand for that and will delete.

Seems to involve telling women they aren't doing feminism right.

All feminists will be resisting attempts to abolish abortion. We still have the right to question Judith Butler's views on gender, too.

It's conversations like this that remind me why I stopped using the word feminist or feminism which now means divisive sniping at women about incredibly tedious and contentious politics, academics and incoherent burbly waffle that has nothing really to do with women or their actual sex based needs or anything of real importance. I'll just go with adult human female rights. That'll cover it.

So I’m a stupid ignorant TRA because I agree with Judith and will stand with her against attempts to restrict / ban abortion ???

is JB actually doing anything on the abortion question? She doesn't seem big on actual action. What would standing with her entail I wonder?

I was wondering that

anyone who is persuaded by Butler's writing needs to work on their self esteem

give yourself permission to acknowledge it for the bollocks it is. just because you can't understand it, it doesn't mean it's right....