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Stonewall have change the word “research”

193 replies

stealtheatingtunnocks · 23/07/2022 11:49

This is an article citing “research”, which comes from the metro, by a female percentage who believes themselves to be a man.

stonewll does not understand normal child development and this charity is doing harm

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1550427949819695104?s=21&t=cGLUbAr7pnFA-jxzzZ6avw

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ScrollingLeaves · 24/07/2022 10:28

Just a quick reminder that there is a petition on the petitions board against teaching the idea of a ‘gender identity ‘ in RSE lessons in schools. It has no basis in science and promotes the idea that a child has a potentially ‘wrong’ body that doesn’t match their mind.

Remove references to 'gender identity' from relationships education guidance'

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/618970

Boiledbeetle · 24/07/2022 10:25

Clymene · 24/07/2022 08:26

How do people know that the writer of the crappy article stonewall quoted is a transman?

Research. Yeah, right.

This, following hot on the heels of the girl guiding article about the boy who wanted to be a girl since he was a toddler and now goes to Rainbows like all the other girls, is worrying but I think going after EYFS is a tactical mistake.

@Clymene

It's hidden way down in the metro article

Anti-bullying policies aren’t cutting it. Not for my daughter, or for anyone in the trans community – as a trans man, I know this firsthand.

I mean an important piece of information like that really should have been in the first paragraph or two. But it's not. Hmmmmm? Wonder why?

Conflictedunicorn · 24/07/2022 10:20

1.25 million per year @mrshoho

mrshoho · 24/07/2022 10:14

How much public funding does SW receive each year? I object strongly that tax payers are funding this warped ideology.

Datun · 24/07/2022 10:09

There are some very rich people who will fund stonewall even if the public funding ceases.

They need shutting down.

Conflictedunicorn · 24/07/2022 10:06

Yes, the tweet was about transing toddlers, but they realised to try to mitigate the backlash they would have to force team it with LGB. It’s funny they don’t insist toddlers know their own sexuality isn’t it? Because they know how absolutely horrifying and disgusting that would be, but by conflating LGB and T, the LGB get dragged into this too.

Abhannmor · 24/07/2022 10:04

They are getting a terrible pasting on Twitter.

I keep saying this and I keep being wrong - but this time surely they've overstepped the mark.

A lot of ppl tweeting at James Cleverly to pull their funding.

Scarletandtheblack · 24/07/2022 10:02

Good to see this nonsense getting a wider audience than Twitter - I think it might give a few more people pause for thought.

Datun · 24/07/2022 09:57

LGBTQ+ inclusive education simply means ensuring children grow up understanding that LGBTQ+ people exist and that we are valid. It means learning that some families have two mums or two dads, and that some people are trans and non-binary.’

This is why they backed mermaids to sue the LGB alliance. They're still desperately trying force team the TQ with the LGB to give trans ideology the same legitimacy.

Blatant.

Conflictedunicorn · 24/07/2022 09:51

SW desperately trying to backtrack and damage control. Think they’re just upset someone said the quiet bits out loud and showed their agenda

Whatwouldscullydo · 24/07/2022 09:46

‘LGBTQ+ inclusive education simply means ensuring children grow up understanding that LGBTQ+ people exist and that we are valid. It means learning that some families have two mums or two dads, and that some people are trans and non-binary

I find this quote from the article worrying for some families teaching children about traditional family values is important. No one is under any obligation to believe or support anyones religion or approve of same sex couples /families. Thats their choice surely. As long as they arent bullying anyone or inflicting harm on anyone thats up to them surely.

I can tell you this , that any comments my dd gets about her sexuality, well its not from those who have a religious background where its just not a thing. They are they ones who keep they mouths shut, are still.perfectly polite/civil its just not something they embrace fir them selves.

Which is surely their right ?

This overstep from ensuring that children are not being bullied, and kids know that there's nothing wrong with them for feeling the way they do, to you must celebrate and make huge big deal out of very openly and obviously accepting everyone's lifestyles and everyone being made to think.amd speak.the same way is horrific.

Datun · 24/07/2022 09:40

Stonewall said: ‘As children and young people grow up, it’s crucial that they can be themselves without feeling that there is anything wrong about doing so.

The gaslighting is industrial. They know. It's not an ideological belief. It's deliberate.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/07/2022 08:55

Stonewall said: ‘As children and young people grow up, it’s crucial that they can be themselves without feeling that there is anything wrong about doing so.

Being a child imagining himself or herself as different beings, as people they know, or in varying roles; or being a child who doesn’t like girl’s things if she is a girl, or boy’s things if he is a boy, does not mean the child is in a mismatching body that has something wrong with it.

No child should ever feel there is anything wrong with the body they have.

Wouldloveanother · 24/07/2022 08:46

They have lost their minds.

if they mean ‘teaching a binary concept of gender’ then they clearly mean gendered toys.

mermaids say toy choices are nothing to do with gender identity.

which is it?

’trans identity aged 2’ fucking hell, is there any insane depths they will not plumb?

TullyApplebottom · 24/07/2022 08:39

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 23/07/2022 17:17

Personally, I blame a combination of the massive expansion of higher education and the rise of social media in the last few decades for this. We’ve seen the proliferation of, frankly, not very good degrees in the social sciences. And students who have gained 2:i or first class marks in them without learning any genuine skills in critical thinking (I have seen this from the inside and despaired). A lot of people have grabbed the wrong end of complex theoretical debates and taken a pile of concept and poorly grasped ideas out into the world.

In the past, they’d have struggled to take this beyond their own immediate circles. But now there’s social media where this shite can absolutely flourish.

So we find ourselves in this mess.

This seems acute

ResisterRex · 24/07/2022 08:34

Also in the Mail on Sunday

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11042699/LGBT-charity-Stonewall-says-children-aged-two-tell-theyre-transgender.html

I agree about so openly going after EFYS being a tactical mistake

Clymene · 24/07/2022 08:26

How do people know that the writer of the crappy article stonewall quoted is a transman?

Research. Yeah, right.

This, following hot on the heels of the girl guiding article about the boy who wanted to be a girl since he was a toddler and now goes to Rainbows like all the other girls, is worrying but I think going after EYFS is a tactical mistake.

ResisterRex · 24/07/2022 08:17

Sonya Douglas has done a thread on it too:

twitter.com/SonyaDouglas/status/1550787777771589632

"Blocked by Stonewall so can’t comment directly, but what they’re essentially showing us is that their business model incorporates children rejecting their bodies in return for several annual celebrations of their subsequent lifelong medicalisation and worsening mental health.

If the #Savile scandal taught us one thing, it taught us people are willing to turn a blind eye to abusers if they can plausibly plead ignorance of intent. It’s important to know that Stonewall is making money out of promoting this disconnect between bodies and personality.

As SRS’ market value is projected to hit $1.5B by 2026, every step of the road to transition, from Gender+ education to all the repeated corrective operations, is an opportunity for someone to earn a pound of flesh as the price of their strategic silence.

www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/sex-reassignment-surgery-market

Stonewall’s pronouncements, like Mermaids, like certain ally MPs, should always be read with these financial incentives in mind. Unlike with #Savile, we all have a chance to speak out this time. This is monetised child abuse on a global scale. You should say something."

ResisterRex · 24/07/2022 08:15

And some responses:

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1550865008715874304

"If you support this you are an unsuitable person to work with children. If you work with children in any capacity either loudly oppose this now, or resign. Your #safeguarding training has prepared you for this moment. It’s time to act. #edutwitter #WomenEd #EYFS #PrimaryRocks"

twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1550750854042587136

"We need an urgent inquiry into how this organisation has been enabled to bring this dangerous nonsense into UK schools. The destabilisation of reality and enforcement of rigid gender stereotypes is harming a generation.
@educationgovuk

@Ofstednews

@Rachel_deSouza
#edutwitter"

ResisterRex · 24/07/2022 08:14

They're still trending on Twitter:

twitter.com/anyabike/status/1551101678635589634

"Numbers on that Stonewall tweet, 2 days on: 4.5k likes and retweets, 4.2k quote tweets, nearly all hostile, and 11.1k replies, nearly all hostile. Stonewall used to stand for equal rights for lesbians and gay men; it now stands for teaching trans ideology to 2 year olds."

hownowpurplecow · 24/07/2022 06:03

Stonewall & mermaids are really worrying, I have a two year old and I’m hoping all this ideology has been pushed out of schools by the time he gets there. As an aside, yesterday he spent the day telling me he was a snake and slithering about on his belly. Is this his new identity now?

Conflictedunicorn · 24/07/2022 05:45

@FemaleAndLearning they have to. With a lot of sports now saying single sex only, the cass report which will probably recommend the severe restriction of puberty blockers and parents waking up to what is happening in schools, nurseries is the next logical step. They NEED to prove gender identity is from birth and inherent otherwise their whole scam falls down.

FemaleAndLearning · 23/07/2022 23:49

I despair, Stonewall are now going to go after nurseries so they can indoctrinate our children before they even start school. Sick. When will this regressive sexist crap end. My daughters are not boys because they play with Lego, help me build furniture and BBQs. They are not boys just because they wear tracksuits handed down to them by their boy cousins. Let toys be toys, let clothes be clothes and let kids be kids.

Image attached that will help you decide if a toy is for boys or girls.

I started a thread earlier about Mermaids targeting SEND children via SEND chatities. See this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4595808-charities-targeting-send-children-with-gender-identity?reply=118733893

I'm finding it very creepy that both Stonewall and Mermaids are changing their target audiences.

Stonewall have change the word “research”
ResisterRex · 23/07/2022 21:27

Thanks Overton. Someone needs to plot a timeline.

On the subject of the original tweet:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/23/ministers-block-controversial-stonewall-chairman-top-job-competition/

"Ministers are preparing to block the chairman of Stonewall from leading the competition watchdog, following a long-running row over the regulator’s affiliation with the LGBT charityy_.
Sheldon Mills is a frontrunner to become chief executive of the Competition and Markets Authority, which until recently, insisted on continuing its membershipp_ of Stonewall’s “diversity champions” programme despite political pressure to quit the scheme over its value for money.
On Saturday, Conservative MPs criticised the charity for a tweet which suggested that many nurseries were not doing enough to help children as young as twoo_ “recognise their trans identity”."

And:

"A Government source added: “We want to avoid a politically controversial candidate such as Sheldon.
“We’ve just persuaded them to stop paying money to Stonewalll_. The last thing we need is a chief executive who is a paid-up supporter. We won’t have him.”
The source added: “We want somebody who has experience of competition policy in the wider world and somebody actually concerned about economic effects.”
Ministers have been battling with the CMA over its refusal to join a growing number of government bodies quitting Stonewall’s diversity schemee_ - despite admitting that some staff were “concerned” by comments made by the charity’s chief executive."

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/07/2022 20:31

ResisterRex · 23/07/2022 20:12

@ScrollingLeaves and as we now know from the interim Cass Review, children under some form of watch from the state (specifically, looked after children) are over-represented in the GIDS cohort:

"There is also an over-representation percentage wise (compared to the national percentage) of looked after children"

See 3.11 on page 32

cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Cass-Review-Interim-Report-Final-Web-Accessible.pdf

If you look at a time line of this you will find that certain groups and individuals cynically made a beeline for children in care of the State, creating training and "policies" for those who worked with the most vulnerable children and pushing the belief that they could change sex and resolve so many problems they encountered.