Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall have change the word “research”

193 replies

stealtheatingtunnocks · 23/07/2022 11:49

This is an article citing “research”, which comes from the metro, by a female percentage who believes themselves to be a man.

stonewll does not understand normal child development and this charity is doing harm

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1550427949819695104?s=21&t=cGLUbAr7pnFA-jxzzZ6avw

OP posts:
mrshoho · 25/07/2022 21:03

Imnobody4 · 25/07/2022 21:00

#StonewallOut is trending on Twitter now.

Good riddance.

Imnobody4 · 25/07/2022 21:00

#StonewallOut is trending on Twitter now.

Wouldloveanother · 25/07/2022 19:31

TheKeatingFive · 25/07/2022 16:37

My husband and I took to asking whether she felt like a boy or girl, or neither, to let her know we were listening and keeping tabs on any progression either way.

And this is supposed to be the optimal way of bringing up children according to Stonewall? You couldn't make this shit up 🙄

Will they keep asking now they’re ‘trans’?

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/07/2022 19:08

And this is supposed to be the optimal way of bringing up children according to Stonewall? You couldn't make this shit up

Theres not even a definition of what a girl or boy identity is so whatever they say is completely meaningless. How its all got so far when the most basic of terms has yet to be defined is incredible.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 18:50

If you Google this phrase you will find a useful petition you may like to sign.

'Remove references to 'gender identity' from relationships education guidance'

BreatheAndFocus · 25/07/2022 18:30

More Stonewall lies. They lied about the law and got away with it, so now they think they can lie about something we all saw and read by saying we misunderstood it and they didn’t actually say what they patently did say.

They’re so used to talking utter shite wrapped up in arrogant babble, that they’ve lost all self-awareness. Their silly glossary, their redefining of homoSEXuality, their stupid great ‘trans’ umbrella, their incoherent explanations of Gender Ideology - they’re falling apart now and I’m glad. Can’t come a day too soon. They bear no resemblance at all to the previously admirable charity of the same name.

TheKeatingFive · 25/07/2022 16:37

My husband and I took to asking whether she felt like a boy or girl, or neither, to let her know we were listening and keeping tabs on any progression either way.

And this is supposed to be the optimal way of bringing up children according to Stonewall? You couldn't make this shit up 🙄

ResisterRex · 25/07/2022 16:31

The wayback machine is your friend here.

achillestoes · 25/07/2022 16:28

@Birdsweepsin

Of course they are. They started losing big public sector clients and went on a push to replace them with more, smaller clients: schools.

Birdsweepsin · 25/07/2022 16:24

Apparently the claim that they haven't been actively targeting pre-school settings isn't strictly true either...

twitter.com/anyabike/status/1551562582489796608?s=20&t=FAmjd7FWF0R4F9pMCD94Ow

Wouldloveanother · 25/07/2022 16:19

achillestoes · 25/07/2022 15:12

Well quite. What other ‘adult ideas’ do they want children to be insulated from? Round earth? Vaccines? Gravity?

Well said!

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 16:11

Yet, many nurseries and schools teach a binary understanding of pre-assigned gender.

In essence, they don’t want adults to yell children they are a girl or a boy.

Are they pretending they mean they don’t want adults to say only boys can play with the cars in the nursery and only girls can play with the dolls?

Are they pretending to believe that at present nursery teachers are telling the children that only men do certain jobs such as be a builder or fireman and only girls can be nurses and teachers?

achillestoes · 25/07/2022 15:12

Well quite. What other ‘adult ideas’ do they want children to be insulated from? Round earth? Vaccines? Gravity?

Datun · 25/07/2022 15:11

Yeah no one is buying it.

tired and grumpy raven
@gcraven10
Replying to

@simonjedge
It's the most remarkable motte-and-bailey.

"Two-year-olds can recognise their trans identity."
"WTF?!"
"Look at all these hateful bigots raging about primary schools teaching that some children have two mummies or two daddies. Aren't they awful?"

Datun · 25/07/2022 14:55

achillestoes · 25/07/2022 14:39

When they say ‘without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them’, they mean the incontrovertible fact that some people are male and some are female, and you can’t change that attribute of your genetic make-up. So they want, instead, children to be indulged in their make-believe, and adults to gaslight them into genuinely believing that they can be a ‘girl’ because they like pink things, and a ‘boy’ tomorrow if they like karate. But that is false, and dangerous, and ideological.

Indeed. They are perfectly clear about what ideas they don't want adults to be telling children.

After she’d been attending for a few weeks, she said to me again she was a boy. But then she looked troubled and added that her teacher told her she’s a girl, that she’s always a girl.

ResisterRex · 25/07/2022 14:52

Mark Jenkinson MP responds:

twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp/status/1551564151826284545

achillestoes · 25/07/2022 14:39

When they say ‘without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them’, they mean the incontrovertible fact that some people are male and some are female, and you can’t change that attribute of your genetic make-up. So they want, instead, children to be indulged in their make-believe, and adults to gaslight them into genuinely believing that they can be a ‘girl’ because they like pink things, and a ‘boy’ tomorrow if they like karate. But that is false, and dangerous, and ideological.

Datun · 25/07/2022 14:30

Add remember this, if it can't clearly be explained to you, or words change their meaning depending on the context, how the fuck are they teaching it to children?

Datun · 25/07/2022 14:29

LK1972 · 24/07/2022 14:20

I totally agree Datun, and think this is really important.

In your opinion, what can we do to ensure the public inquiry happens, and quickly?

Stonewall are still, currently, doing untold amount of damage across our public institutions. It appears to me we're fighting their propaganda one institution at the time, which is expensive and time-consuming.

In UK, we're fortunate to have a rather decent, though new, Equality Act, and it appears to me that what we need to do is to ensure it's properly clarified and enforced. GRA certainly needs some secondary legislation to clarify the mess of 'sex' and 'gender', although that is not a primary problem imo - it's Stonewall's 'getting ahead of legislation' training.

How the fuck was it allowed to take such hold across UK public sector, at a great cost to the tax-payer? How on earth is this even legal, why is a lobby group sanctioned to provide training that does not conform to UK law, with huge implications for safeguarding and women's rights?

Apologies for a long rant, I just find Stonewall despicable by now

God knows how you made sense of my post, with all that daft auto correct!

Just keep plugging away. Write to your MP, write to the charity commission. Stonewall believe that children as young as two can be transgender.

My question is what is the criteria? They don't appear to say so. They include cross dressing fetishists and drag queens as being transgender. So what is the criteria for a two-year-old?

If children in our country are being taught this in schools on the back of Stonewall policy, then it needs to be clear.

Stonewall will be the architects of their own downfall, I have no doubt, whatsoever. All we need to do is keep highlighting what they are saying.

achillestoes · 25/07/2022 14:26

An excellent sign.

Datun · 25/07/2022 14:25

Tooooo late stonewall.

You endorsed this:

My husband and I took to asking whether she felt like a boy or girl, or neither, to let her know we were listening and keeping tabs on any progression either way.

I was bathing her one time when the question came up, and she said ‘I’m a boy’.

She went quiet for a moment, looking down at the bubbles deep in thought. Then she looked up again. With a confident smile, she confirmed, ‘I’m a boy today’.

I suspect her teachers don’t think she’s ‘old enough’ for gender nonconformity, despite published research confirming that children as young as two to three recognise their gender, and can identify their own transness.

You believe that children can be trans.

I'm so glad all this is coming to light.

People won't stop there, they will be asking you, what the bloody hell is the criteria that you use to determine if a child is transgender.

Come on let's have it.

Because if it's 'gender nonconformity', let's bloody hear it. Let's hear what you think is gender nonconformity.

This outdated, regressive, sexist claptrap needs highlighting.

Imnobody4 · 25/07/2022 14:23

It's pathetic, quite desperate really - we simultaneously uphold and condemn gender stereotypes.

we believe that young children should be able to play, explore and learn about who they are, and the world around them, without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them. so leave those kids alone -stop interfering- simple.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 25/07/2022 14:19

Birdsweepsin · 25/07/2022 13:47

Do they really think we're all that stupid??

It was all about 2 mummies and daddies, and letting kids play with what they like, nuthin about trans, all age appropriate, honest guv! Hmm

ResisterRex · 25/07/2022 13:57

Birdsweepsin · 25/07/2022 13:47

I see they remembered to turn off replies.

"It might mean not forcing children to conform to stereotypes, and it might mean challenging bullying that relates to perceived difference."

But it might mean that??

"We were commenting on an article"

Not citing it as research??

Nice and clear as ever.

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/07/2022 13:57

That statement makes things worse. What have these stereotypes got to do with trans identity if they believe trans is nothing to do with stereotypes?