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I am embracing virtue signalling pronouns in emails

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MsFogi · 21/07/2022 18:25

I have realised I have made too many assumptions about gender over the years. I had always assumed that Paul (name changed of course) in my company was a man simply on the basis of his appearance (well over 6 foot, well built, big beard, low voice that only someone with an Adam's apple and whose balls have dropped could have). Imagine my relief to find that I have not been misgendering him for over a decade because he has helpfully added his pronouns to his email auto signature - they are he/him/his. There is no company diktat to add pronouns on emails so clearly this is important to Paul or maybe he has been misgendered recently.

So, I thought I would ensure that Paul was not offended on a Teams meeting this afternoon and kicked off the meeting by asking everyone to note that Paul's pronouns are he/him/his and that given that he has stated these that everyone please be sensitive to ensuring that they use them. No one said anything so I think they all took it on board, no one misgendered Paul and I like to think that his move to include his pronouns at work has been embraced in my meeting. Maybe as a result others that attended the meeting will add theirs to their auto signatures too.

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NewPotatoSalad · 26/07/2022 01:14

There, he's admitted it. He is a bigot and a troll. In his own words!

To be honest, though: I think we'd spotted this a while ago. Call us uncanny, spidey senses, or whatever. But something about antifascist's posts may have caused some of us (!) to think, hmmm

Helleofabore · 26/07/2022 01:08

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At last!! A clear and honest post!

NewPotatoSalad · 26/07/2022 01:08

Did he only just realise this?!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/07/2022 01:03

I am a bigot and a troll.

Goodness, such refreshing honesty.

NewPotatoSalad · 26/07/2022 01:01

I find the OP's treatment in the original post quite enchanting, and also purposeful!

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"I have realised I have made too many assumptions about gender over the years. I had always assumed that Paul (name changed of course) in my company was a man simply on the basis of his appearance (well over 6 foot, well built, big beard, low voice that only someone with an Adam's apple and whose balls have dropped could have). Imagine my relief to find that I have not been misgendering him for over a decade because he has helpfully added his pronouns to his email auto signature - they are he/him/his. There is no company diktat to add pronouns on emails so clearly this is important to Paul or maybe he has been misgendered recently.

So, I thought I would ensure that Paul was not offended on a Teams meeting this afternoon and kicked off the meeting by asking everyone to note that Paul's pronouns are he/him/his and that given that he has stated these that everyone please be sensitive to ensuring that they use them. No one said anything so I think they all took it on board, no one misgendered Paul and I like to think that his move to include his pronouns at work has been embraced in my meeting. Maybe as a result others that attended the meeting will add theirs to their auto signatures too..

This is a Classic! Well done, OP, MsFogi! Much appreciated!

And it has obviously sparked debate. Which is so good. The authoritarian "#no debate" was, and is, never a good look.

Any updates on how "Paul (name changed of course)" is now doing on his "he/him/his" pronouns?

That aside:

the posters badgering, pestering, harrassing - a woman's NO is a woman's NO. End of.
Deal with it.

LK1972 · 26/07/2022 00:47

*deck, although desk seems strangely appropriate for our local key-board freedom fighter

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antifascist · 26/07/2022 00:38

LK1972 · 26/07/2022 00:29

Hey @antifascist , have you finished installing protective software on your mum's phone/laptop, just in case she comes across something GC, let alone (stage whisper) Jordan Peterson?

You'd better get on with that anon instead of wasting your time here in the us 8Chan desert, 'cos you know, these
GC fascists, they speak with serpents' tongues.

WHAT IF SHE LIKES WHAT SHE SEES Shock

Why these persistent references to my mother ?

She would find the original poster to be as unpleasant and unprofessional as I do, God bless her soul

IcakethereforeIam · 26/07/2022 00:34

Hey Aunty F, being a bit harsh on yourself there.

LK1972 · 26/07/2022 00:29

Hey @antifascist , have you finished installing protective software on your mum's phone/laptop, just in case she comes across something GC, let alone (stage whisper) Jordan Peterson?

You'd better get on with that anon instead of wasting your time here in the us 8Chan desert, 'cos you know, these
GC fascists, they speak with serpents' tongues.

WHAT IF SHE LIKES WHAT SHE SEES Shock

antifascist · 26/07/2022 00:22

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/07/2022 00:19

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 25/07/2022 23:24

When we talk about our hopes and fantasies, it becomes apparent that what we want above all is to be accepted as women, primarily by other women… we must first destroy the trap wherein regular women set up standards by which they accept or reject us.

Does the author even see the contradiction? Maybe it’s not even a contradiction, maybe “acceptance” that’s coerced suffices. But of course, nothing ever suffices and it’s so easy to see why. The bottomless need for validation combined with the violent desire to destroy any possibility of rejection, so that there’s always the deep down knowledge that the validation they are getting isn’t completely sincere.

Yes.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 25/07/2022 23:24

When we talk about our hopes and fantasies, it becomes apparent that what we want above all is to be accepted as women, primarily by other women… we must first destroy the trap wherein regular women set up standards by which they accept or reject us.

Does the author even see the contradiction? Maybe it’s not even a contradiction, maybe “acceptance” that’s coerced suffices. But of course, nothing ever suffices and it’s so easy to see why. The bottomless need for validation combined with the violent desire to destroy any possibility of rejection, so that there’s always the deep down knowledge that the validation they are getting isn’t completely sincere.

VestofAbsurdity · 25/07/2022 22:34

I thought that was a bit Freudian Eresh!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2022 22:29

Turned on and criticised by the people they are throwing other women under the bus for, for the avoidance of doubt, not in the sexual sense!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2022 22:27

I've seen some of these women get turned on and it isn't nice.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2022 22:26

Agree, Vest

VestofAbsurdity · 25/07/2022 22:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2022 22:02

Us non-believing, resisting women are a bit of a fly in the ointment for their plans, aren't we?

Sadly there are women in the submissive camp who've bought the whole most oppressed, had such a hard time, etc., etc. line that is being sold. I've said it before and I'll say it again if they think for one minute that TRAs respect them, value them or even like them they are in for very rude awakening, they are being used and once they have served their useful purpose they'll be dumped and dismissed quicker than lightening.

IcakethereforeIam · 25/07/2022 22:21

I know it's impossible, or deeply inadvisable, but I would love to know what Paul would think about this thread.

mrshoho · 25/07/2022 22:12

Pesky regular women are just so tiresome. How are we have an opinion on such matters.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2022 22:02

Us non-believing, resisting women are a bit of a fly in the ointment for their plans, aren't we?

EdithStourton · 25/07/2022 22:00

Certainly, whatever course we take as transvestites, transsexuals and drag queens, we must first destroy the trap wherein regular women set up standards by which they accept or reject us.
Translation: We get to say what 'regular women' are allowed to think.

Fucking hell. That mindset has some deep roots.

Emotionalsupportviper · 25/07/2022 21:52

@Didimum I know many trans women also feel deeply under threat from male violence

They are the safest demographic in the UK.

VestofAbsurdity · 25/07/2022 21:45

Part of my reasoning, for example, is that I know many trans women also feel deeply under threat from male violence – they have profound vulnerabilities too.

Women are not human shields or collateral damage to be used for males under threat from male violence @Didimum.

If TW truly didn't want to encroach on women's spaces they would lobby and fight for separate spaces and services and a major part of that strategy would be to say to Government that they are not prepared to infringe the safety, privacy and dignity of women and girls and therefore require different spaces, it would be incredibly difficult for any Government to ignore or dismiss that. Much like disabled people had to lobby and fight for spaces for their requirements, trans people are way more visible, vocal and listened to than disabled people ever were or indeed are.

Winederlust · 25/07/2022 20:03

Didimum · 24/07/2022 23:24

My concern is that the relevant space for those people cannot exist unless we actively create it. The energy seems to be put into the rejection of TW, rather than the creation of a space for them. Of course women also have conflicts and emotions, but empathy is not a finite pie, and nor is the alliance in rights for others.

You have this arse about face...it's the insistence by TRAs that TW should be entitled to infiltrate female spaces rather than campaigning for or creating their own. It's not women's job to sort all this out for them.