I am embracing virtue signalling pronouns in emails

I don’t need to be here, because the world is already successfully eradicating the consequence of anti-trans sentiment. Enjoy your echo chamber, because that’s all you have. I’m sorry that you’re fighting a losing battle.

This seems to be a bit of a 2017 statement, at least in this country. Pre Forstater, pre JKR waking up many people, pre a coordinated pushback from women, pre getting Stonewall out of many large institutions and getting a seat at the table to ensure that women's voices are heard on this.

What is it, we have, a few of us in an echo chamber or transphobic control of the U.K. media, making the country "unsafe"? A country where everyone agrees bar a few women on Mumsnet that trans people should always get what they want or one which is hostile to them? Trans activists need to make their minds up.

Oh hi Didimum, I see you haven't actually managed to answer those questions.

They are going down, and your bullshit with it. Cry more.

This is thing though. It’s not going down. Not even close. You have the impression it is because you are stuck in an echo chamber of unjustified panic and hatred. We know where women are, overwhelmingly, most at risk - and that’s in their own homes with perpetrators already known to them. The fact is women are statistically safer with a transwoman who is a stranger in a changing room or a bathroom than they are in their own home with a male-identifying partner or family member. Women’s spaces have become the focus of perceived risk and a false haven to keep perpetrators out at the perimeter, when that’s not where the perpetrators lie. And transwomen have become the scapegoat of unfounded ‘stranger danger’ - a tiny minority disproportionately affected by assault and violence themselves.

I don’t need to be here, because the world is already successfully eradicating the consequence of anti-trans sentiment. Enjoy your echo chamber, because that’s all you have. I’m sorry that you’re fighting a losing battle.

@aseriesofstillimages Thank you for your words.

It looks like the conversation on this thread has long moved on and left me behind

Not really, @aseriesofstillimages because neither you nor @Didimum have managed to offer a coherent case for why people should prioritise gender identity ideology over sex, or what gender identity means when unmoored from sex and knowing what sex people are and all the stereotype baggage that comes with that.

Why what most women and girls want, ie privacy and dignity from the opposite sex, should be disregarded in favour of what this group of males want.

Since I've never seen that answered in a way that boils down to more than "let them have what they want, it's kind and progressive" that's not surprising.

and those who make personal attacks which are against the guidelines as you are such a fair citizen with no bias I'm sure.

Wonderful, we agree

Be careful, you're quite close to being fash-adjacent there, surely that's what happens when you agree with bigots, on anything?

Luckily, your friend on this thread is perfectly qualified to explain it all to us shortly, no doubt, what with that wonderful username.

'Cos my father was, not 'we'

@antifascist 'reported', oh no, what am I to do?

How about you answer some questions for a change?

Why are you here, castigating and slurring women day after day?

What do you get out if it?

'Antifascist'- lol, wtf do you know about history, do you know what totalitarianism is? Did you grow up with you phone tapped by KGB, 'cos we was an actual fucking freedom fighter. Fuck off, you know absolutely NOTHING about me, and I don't owe you any pity.

Oh do bore off, there's nothing fascist or remotely bigoted in this board,
If you say so
please feel free to report whenever you see it.
Thanks, will do

FFS, it's perfectly clear that @antifascist was referring to other posts, not themselves!

As they quoted the OP's post in full before the comment then by your deduction they were referring directly to the OP, so personal attack against the Guidelines, you going to do the fair and decent thing and report @GoodJanetBadJanet ?

Oh do bore off, there's nothing fascist or remotely bigoted in this board, please feel free to report whenever you see it.

It's all and the key-board freedom fighter here have, isn't it, just slurs and nonsense

Probably because it's a personal attack and they're against guidelines .

and antifacist's post aimed at the OP was also a personal attack and against guidelines, you going to report that @GoodJanetBadJanet? After all the guidelines apply to all, or are you trying to justify it with your if the shoe fits comment?

Antifascist has referred to themselves as a troll and a bigot. It is probably one of the first honest posts they have posted. I think that antifascist should be commended for finally being upfront and honest.

If that's behaviour being displayed though, surely it's a case of if the shoe fits in some cases?
(Not aimed at anyone in particular)

Is it a “little dose of humanity” to call people fascists or bigots, @antifascist …?

Thanks @GoodJanetBadJanet for a little dose of humanity

Antifascist was twisting someone else’s words in the very post you refer to. (It’s their entire MO, calling people fascists who aren’t remotely fascists, for example.) That’s the point! Dole out hyperbole, twisting and gaslighting and you can’t complain if you get it back.

I look forward to you calling out antifascist next time the familiar ridiculous hyperbole and twisting of someone else’s words appears there, Bad Janet.

Why do you report that? Hurt feelings?
Probably because it's a personal attack and they're against guidelines .
Not to mention pretty shit for posters to keep on with bringing mum's into it when pp has said has died
Reported myself too, WTAF is wrong with this board lately and I don't give a flying shit if I'm not being fucking nice by doing so .
What's that saying on here? Women don't have to be nice.

We have been repeatedly and aggressively told that when people tell us who they are, we have to believe them.

Are you telling us something different now?

And thank you @Didimum for your attempts to bring balance

It looks like the conversation on this thread has long moved on and left me behind, but I just wanted to drop in to say thank you for reading and responding to those cases. As you say, there are many unanswered questions about the experience of the individuals involved, and why they lived as they did. I think my point was just to illustrate, as a number of posters asked, what ‘living as the opposite sex’ meant (in the context of my reference to examples of people throughout history having done so).

Plenty of us here have mothers who have died.

My condolences for your loss.

But it's not even vaguely a sane reason for a man to castigate women in general, and to argue in favour of the oppression of women.

NO.

FFS, it's perfectly clear that @antifascist was referring to other posts, not themselves!
Are people not actually reading posts or just think themselves funny twisting and trying to gaslight others or twist it for anyone who can't be arsed to read the whole thread and who just jump in at the end without reading it all?;

Why do you report that? Hurt feelings?

Not enough reason to gag women.

reported.