I am embracing virtue signalling pronouns in emails

Oh won’t someone think of a man’s Feelings! <wrings hands>

We all know this game isn’t for you, middle aged witch women; only for the Young and Special. We know Heresy is in your hearts, no matter how straight your faces.

Anyway, you’re meant to Know that it’s all just fashionable virtue signalling nonsense when a “cis” person does it, and just tacitly ignore it and say nothing, I mean, you can’t misgender the cis people anyway. The magic pronoun spells only ward off Misgendering when they’re used by the Elect. That’s why if the “cis” use them they’re just “showing allyship”, whereas if the Elect use them, they’re a matter of literal life or death, warding off the violence of being Misgendered.

Remember - the sacred pronoun spells aren’t for you old hags to meddle with. Just leave them alone! Or you’ll pollute the sacred words with your evil meddling, and then nobody will believe any more and it will be All Your Fault!

Says who?

So we're in agreement. I'm off to bed now. I hate to post and run but I'm up early tomorrow....today

Not being sarky, you seem nice

I don’t think Paul’s pronouns were new were they, he had always been he? It was only him stating them in his email signature which was new.

This 😂

Well, now you're changing the parameters. I naturally assumed it was a new thing that the other team members should have their attention drawn to. Just like Paul's pronouns. No song and dance just AOB.

But we’re talking about a scenario where the staff member has always worked Mondays to Thursdays, it’s not a new thing, but the person has just decided it might be helpful to include it in their email signature. Let’s say others in the team work part time, but no one else includes their working pattern in their email signature.

The team leader is specifically saying to the team: “please note this person has stated in their email signature that they work Monday to Thursday. It is clearly very important to them that you are all aware that they work Monday to Thursday’.

That would be quite weird wouldn’t it?

No, I don't think so. I'd assume the person who'd added the info did so because some colleagues didn't know and it was causing problems, so having this helpful info mentioned in a meeting would also be helpful.

How did work even get done before folxxxxx knew Paul was a he/him? Thank god you got that cleared up. Hopefully next week we'll find out about Felicity in Human Resources.

I couldn't agree more with @Kanaloa and @aseriesofstillimages posts.

I think the pronouns nonsense is exactly that, and adding them to emails ridiculous (and work in a university where this is encouraged).

However, this is poor performance by someone in authority, as OP is here, to mock someone in front of colleagues, as
OP undoubtedly has done, in the name of making a point, regardless of the validity of that point.

I have a feminine name ending in ia. I also use the title Mrs in my email signature. If anyone isn't sure of my pronouns they must have had a lobotomy. If required, I shall add my pronouns "I and me"

But we’re talking about a scenario where the staff member has always worked Mondays to Thursdays, it’s not a new thing, but the person has just decided it might be helpful to include it in their email signature. Let’s say others in the team work part time, but no one else includes their working pattern in their email signature.

The team leader is specifically saying to the team: “please note this person has stated in their email signature that they work Monday to Thursday. It is clearly very important to them that you are all aware that they work Monday to Thursday’.

That would be quite weird wouldn’t it?

@aseriesofstillimages That is a poor analogy. As someone who did indeed work Monday to Thursday in the days when that was very unusual in a senior role ( before the internet was more than a twinkle) I would have been delighted if my ‘manager’ had reminded everyone not to ring me up at home and fix meetings for me on Fridays, because they didn’t bloody pay me for Friday.

The difference being that disseminating and repeating that information would have been beneficial for me, and maybe useful for other people who didn’t know it or wanted an excuse to ignore it. Paul, on the other hand is just stating the obvious, something which as far as we can tell is not different from what anyone would expect having taken one glance at him, and which has not changed since the last meeting.

Really I don’t know why I’m bothering to write this, since the post I am replying to is clearly disingenuous. I thought it was terrific OP. I’d join your team like a shot.

Yes, that's what team meetings are for, amongst other things. Particularly, nowadays when team members might not be in the same office. It's not like OP baked a cake or hung up bunting. It's AOB.

Ok, so if a colleague includes in their email signature that they work Monday to Thursday, it’s fine for their manager to unilaterally decide in a team meeting to announce how important it is that everyone is aware this person only works Monday to Thursday? The individual wants their colleagues and contacts to be aware of the days they work on, that doesn’t mean that want a big fuss or attention being drawn to it.

Words have power, I think we all know that. That’s not inconsistent with acknowledging that words, and particularly categories and labels, serve certain purposes and are generally not neutral.

But not talk about them, because Paul might be embarrassed, like if Paul had farted.

So what is the problem then? Paul wants people to use them, OP reminded people to use them. Everyone is happy. Paul gets to polish his halo and the rest of his colleagues know what kind of person he is. Bet he has a beard and does the thumbs up sign unironically.

I mean, it would mostly be the Segway if I’m honest. I’m not particularly good at controlling women’s speech, starting with my own.

No one has suggested people shouldn’t use them, or that Paul doesn’t want people to use them.

I’m sure you would be @aseriesofstillimages . You seem that type of person. Any hint of a bit of power over people and you’d be right there. Especially if it involved controlling women and their speech

I’m more than happy to take the job if it comes with a Segway

How would he know if someone said he if he wanted them to say she, you wouldnt use a pronoun in front of someone because thats not how language works. You would only say she or he if you are talknig about someone when they're not there

Its a bit like age. No one knows my age, they might guess it. What if they think Im older or younger than I am, will I be triggered and distraught and traumatised? Will it make a difference to what my actual age is or what I feel I am?

I can just see @aseriesofstillimages as the pronoun police. Like Paul Blart Mall cop but with a list of pronouns on a clipboard and a Segway to chase down misgenderers

Who are you to go around telling work colleagues how to speak? Presumably you keep a list at work of every bodies correct pronouns, you should send it out from HR to the entire company so nobody ever makes a dreaded pro noun deadly mistake. Perhaps HR could devise a three times and you are fired target.

@Kanaloa

Oh my gosh - you have fallen into the old fashioned trap of assuming that Paul looks like a bloke so must be a bloke - you really shouldn't you know - Paul might have been a 6ft woman with a beard with a more masculine female appearance. How very dare you make assumptions.