I am embracing virtue signalling pronouns in emails

Wow, this thread has made the fanclub very sulky!

I guess it's because OP has dared to a) laugh at them and b) be in a position of authority, and both of those are unbearable sins in women.

Just ignore the sourpussed little shites, OP! Well, I'm sure you were planning to anyway. Gentle mockery is a good way to deal with the nonsense.

Some people just understand women's intelligent humour 🤷‍♀️

It's embarrassing how clever the OP thinks she is.

You sound like a really dreary schoolteacher.

Ok, so if a colleague includes in their email signature that they work Monday to Thursday, it’s fine for their manager to unilaterally decide in a team meeting to announce how important it is that everyone is aware this person only works Monday to Thursday? The individual wants their colleagues and contacts to be aware of the days they work on, that doesn’t mean that want a big fuss or attention being drawn to it.

I can't imagine my colleagues who work part time having an issue with that, and yes it does get mentioned in passing a lot when talking about group work. Maybe we're terrible but no one is thinking "can't talk about this person's working pattern, they might be sensitive about it". It's just a reasonable factor in planning.

We don’t know why he did it, but it might be because (like me) he wanted to normalise the inclusion of pronouns in email signatures to make things slightly easier for those who have more need of them (because they are otherwise likely to be misgendered).

There seems to be an odd base assumption that voluntary pronoun-sharers might be embarrassed about it and expect no one to refer to it. Why would they be, it certainly isn't my experience?

Does leave me wondering if pips has two different email addresses? Anyone know?

I guess there will be a statement at the bottom of the email signature, sort of like the ones which say "my working days vary from week to week".

Did you really though? If so I love you.

Yep! Endorsing pronouns means you agree that men can say they are women. If men can be women then at what point are they not women

i work with loads of pronoun staters (nhs) and I know full well the vast majority of my colleagues haven’t given it more than a moments thought other than beeee kind/it’s just the latest ridiculousness from nhs England/obviously men are not actually women

and that’s what TRA have relied on. By the time ppl wake up & go “wait! What?? I’m meant to believe they’re actual women?? Wtf??” It’s too late

im beyond bored of ppl saying “it doesn’t hurt me”. Do ppl really think we’d have men in womens prisons, refuges, sports, development programmes etc without the softening up of agreeing that Dave in accounts must be addressed as she/her & be treated like a women otherwise he’ll be sad?

Exactly @Cailleach1 - pronouns are not a neutral act, and those who can't see this and where it inevitably leads are being wilfully blind.

I find them offensive too. And bullying. Paul will be referred to as 'he' only because he wants that. The implication is that Paul is just the same as a woman if he wants to identify play as being one. A woman is a biological reality, but Paul is wielding his privilege that can just proclaim he is just as much a woman as an actual woman. With all the disbenefits that means for the equality, fairness, safety and dignity of women and girls. And, we'd all better go along with this or face disapproval (hopefully just verbal in this case). Even if we don't believe in this ideological position as it denies reality.

Excellent post Rhino

No, I meant the latter. I have sexuality needs that I insist others participate in.

no idea who decided it and I don't agree with it, but I cannot deny it has become pervasive so I will not judge anyone who follows it. Almost every large company encourages the use.

By putting pronouns I am not clarifying gender but that I am welcoming and understanding to all

If a person declares their pronouns they are declaring firstly that they believe in an inner gender identity which is more significant to ones needs in life than the sex of ones body to the degree that it is entirely appropriate and non-controversial to reuse all words pertaining to sex in purposes pertaining to gender because there is never a valid need to differentiate between them, and secondly that they personally recognise and share a specific inner gender identity with trans people of the opposite sex, which is signalled by their use of shared pronouns.

Which (a) is fine if you do believe that but many people don't, and it sucks that trans ideology's reuse of existing words has left those people without the words they have used all their lives with a different meaning, and (b) is not a neutral declaration but an active declaration of your gender identity and therefore yes, worth mentioning.

If people don't realise what they sign up for by declaring pronouns they should educate themselves because it is very far from a neutral, status quo act.

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/
The FPFW ‘Pronouns are rohypnol’ article is always worth a read

where does safe spaces come into this. As much as anyone I don;t want men in my bathrooms/ changing rooms.

By putting pronouns I am not clarifying gender but that I am welcoming and understanding to all

Compelling people to use the wrong sex pronouns is forcing them to pretend they endorse a belief that they don't endorse. When fact, they support the opposite belief.

It's not a neutral act.

Do you seriously think that Paul in the opening post would be embracing a concept where he puts his pronouns in his email, but still says we should still have single sex spaces and the female spaces must exclude transwomen?

I'm not going to pick a fight over something that has zero impact on me but has a huge impact on someone else

Well, what if it has zero impact on you but a huge negative impact on someone else?

By putting pronouns I am not clarifying gender but that I am welcoming and understanding to all

If sharing pronouns is not clarifying gender, what is the point? I thought it was to avoid "misgendering"?

She/her does not mean "I am welcoming and understanding to all", and I am sure you are not actually welcoming and understanding to ALL. No-one is.

@WhyCantPeopleBeNice
I understand that there is a huge debate over Trans rights.
However, mental health statistics for those who are trans are shocking, regardless of your beliefs everyone is a person and needs to feel safe.

Mental health and suicide statistics for men who are not trans are the shocking ones, those statistics regarding trans have been debunked several times. Yes everyone is a person and needs to feel safe - how do pronouns do this? In fact playing along with it and referring to a male person as she leads to the shit show we now have trying to keep males out of female single sex spaces, and females definitely DO NOT feel safe nor that their privacy and dignity is being either considered or respected with males being in these spaces.

Pronouns makes absolutely no impact on me. By putting pronouns I am not clarifying gender but that I am welcoming and understanding to all.

Pronouns do have an impact, it's the thin end of the wedge and yes you are definitely clarifying gender, by going along with it you are saying you believe in gender ideology. Welcoming and understanding to all? Except women it would appear. Pronouns are compelling speech and thought.

Great, so now I've shown I'm open to trans and non-binary people, we can have discussions about the bigger issues

Good luck with that, they pushed and still want No Debate, you want to discuss anything you will be told you are denying their existence.

I'm not going to pick a fight over something that has zero impact on me but has a huge impact on someone else.

It's not 'picking a fight' and yes pronouns and everything that comes with them does have a huge impact.

You don't win in life by invalidating other people, we win when we find ways to get along without eroding peoples safety or needs.

Our purpose in life is to validate someone else's belief about themselves is it? No thank you. Women's safety and needs are already being eroded. Women have made many suggestions on ways to get along, guess what? the other side dismiss them completely usually with abuse and threats.

Giving people pronouns doesn't mean trans activists are winning, it means we can have a sensible discussion about what does matter

Really? Women have continually asked for a sensible discussion, no dice, total capitulation to their demands is what is insisted on, with, as said before, the usual threats and abuse.

So now the pronoun should say 'he/him but by the way I'm not trans'?

Nobody is saying that. You’re all so busy falling over yourself to applaud the ‘hilarious legend’ op (who actually hasn’t done anything remotely amusing or witty) that you’re ignoring that many of us (me included) have said we disagree with the trans movement. We just don’t think this particular action was amusing or appropriate. And as for classics? Why? What is funny about the op? What was clever in what she did?

I think you’re really setting the standard for sensitive management OP and we can all learn a lot from you

Whats the alternative, naysayers? That we all assume that the Pauls in any meeting we chair are just vacuous sheep trying to virtue-signal at work and they mean absolutely nothing by adding pronouns to their auto signature? Surely not that seems actually transphobic.

So we should take notice of a person's stated pronouns, but never publicly out them if they are only stating the obvious. It's only the special people who get to make the public announcements? Every day is a school day. The school of nonsense.