I am embracing virtue signalling pronouns in emails

Nah the enforced pronouns crowd are the ones doing bullying

“call this biological man a woman!!”

”erm ok if it’ll make them feel ok”

Now give them access to all womens spaces”

”erm hang on they’re a man”

”no they are not!! You are addressing them as she or her are you not?? You clearly agree they’re a woman otherwise why are you using female pronouns. You have no right to keep this woman out of female spaces”

“but….i was only doing it to be kind. Obviously they’re not really a woman….”

”bigot!TERF! Witch”

But what if someone had misgendered him in the meeting? Would that not have put OP in a difficult position as she knew his preferred pronouns beforehand. She would then have to let him be misgendered, sit through an awkward correction or be accused of encouraging misgendering by not sharing his pronouns. What if someone assumed Paul was a woman?

Yet, on the other hand, when a middle aged woman embraces this it is assumed that I am mocking the person with pronouns/am unprofessional to ensure that someone is correctly gendered

But you were mocking him. You know it, and he knows it.
The fact that you were sly and underhand about it doesn't make it any better.

But hey, bullying is totally professional as long as you hide it well so that he can't prove anything.

I just use my name with my job title underneath. We did have a very junior member of staff who put his whole degree title after his name but usually name and job title is all that is encouraged.

I feel very left out - no one has ever asked for my pronouns. If they do, my pronoun will be “it”

Do people actually sign off emails with the salutation or descriptor of Mr or Ms ?

It's really not. It's actually one of the nastiest threads I've seen on munsnet, and that's saying something.

It is saying you've not read any threads in AIBU, Style & Beauty, The Dog Kennel or The Cat Litter Tray.

An opinion that it is not funny is just that - an opinion, I find some of the purported hilarious threads in Classics not hilarious so what?

I wish the Two Ronnies were still with us to make a pronoun sketch. Their class system sketch is classic gold.

Its unprofessional to bring your religious beliefs to work, to shove down others throats.
He must know in the current climate that putting your pronouns on your work signiture is not a neutral act. It signals support for a very dogmatic and oppressive movement, that is currently hugely fashionable, that is dangerous in my book and he is acting like an oppressor to women who may not buy into this new religion.
He likely knows its putting pressure onto others to show compliance to an idology they may well be indifferent or outright hostile to.

That could be enlightening in some places.

'OK, now we have the operations manager Fred, who is a white middle aged middle class man, speaking'

'Andy, you're the Finance Director and a white middle aged middle class man, what do you think?'

'Steve, as the HR lead and a white middle aged middle class man, what's your take in this?'

'Stuart, how does this impact delivery of the project - oh, I'm so sorry, I forgot, You're a white middleclass and middleaged man - in terms of our target demographics of lower income females of other ethnicities? As a white middle class and middle aged man, what do they want?'

It's actually one of the nastiest threads I've seen on munsnet, and that's saying something.

Being amused at men announcing they use "he/him" pronouns? In what world is that nasty?

Well there’s a really cool function called hide the thread. That might protect your delicate eyes.

Yes it is. It’s funny and a very clever way of showing this ridiculous ideology up for the pathetic load of gobbledegook it is

It's really not. It's actually one of the nastiest threads I've seen on munsnet, and that's saying something.

Yes it is. It’s funny and a very clever way of showing this ridiculous ideology up for the pathetic load of gobbledegook it is.

I don’t mind being called a dreary schoolteacher. Also don’t see this as classic/legend/hilarious/intelligent women’s humour. It’s not actually funny.

It’s a bit sad when posters pop on to tell us how awful we are. Are we supposed to care? Is someone telling us we’re being mean supposed to make us grovel in apology and pop off to ‘educate ourselves’ into ‘being better allies’?

Is it, aye? Is it cringe?

What else? Any more ad homs to wheel out? Do you realise women here stopped being affected by ostentatiously withering opinions in approximately 1987?

Absolutely!

Take "trans" anything out of the equation and look at what this policy actually means in the workplace. It's leaving linguistic traps in conversation and then self-righteously chastising the victims when they walk into the trap you left. It's a totally unacceptable way to treat people. It's toxic, and it's baked into the whole "transinclusive" mindset.

And all to force people to uphold an ideology, even if its against the person's will or best interests.

So Paul (a bloke) is allowed to embrace pronouns yet I (a middle aged woman) am not and if I do a bloke can complain about me doing so?

Yep. Because it isn't enough for us to use compelled language, we are mean and nasty if we don't genuinely believe in that compelled language even if we do use it.

Basically, if you're born with a vagina then you can't win.

I've been doing this for a while now.

If I refer to a third person in an email and that person has advertised their pronouns, I always include them in their name.

So for instance;

'Bob Smith (he/him/his) should be able to help you with this query'.

I presumed I was being polite here, to ensure that Bob doesn't get accidentally misgendered, leaving Bob in an emotional state with him unable to complete his days work without resorting to therapy.

Hey womanittee, I'd like to revisit discussions last night, because I think there is a facet to this that has gone uncommented on, and it's one we need to identify and discuss.

aseriesofstillimages made various posts which I will quote here.

Post 1: The best thing to do depends on the precise circumstances. If an existing member of staff changes their pronouns their manager should ask them how they want it handled - eg whether it should be actively brought to the team’s attention, or if they will just correct people politely if they use the wrong pronoun.

If it’s a case of a new person joining the team, then it’s for that person to decide whether to announce their pronouns when being introduced to people, or just correct them if they assume the wrong pronoun.

Post 2: I don’t think I’ve ever seen that. I’ve seen people correct other people about a colleague’s pronouns if they’ve used the wrong one, but I can’t recall anyone at work just announcing another person’s pronouns for them.

Post 3: You refer to them as they/them, and correct others politely if you hear them using a different pronoun for the person.

So you can't make an announcement of the pronoun changes without consulting the person involved. Right, fine. But you can and should go round correcting junior staff on how to speak, without prior warning. You can set people you manage up to fail, by correcting them on something they had no chance to know about.

You can put people on the backfoot, and make them feel terribly awkward. You can make them worry that they missed an important briefing or email. I mean, they must have, because what kind of workplace goes round correcting people without giving them a chance to get it right first time?

Take "trans" anything out of the equation and look at what this policy actually means in the workplace. It's leaving linguistic traps in conversation and then self-righteously chastising the victims when they walk into the trap you left. It's a totally unacceptable way to treat people. It's toxic, and it's baked into the whole "transinclusive" mindset.

Stop the presses here, but employees without trans identities matter too. Some of them also have mental health issues that could be exacerbated by the behaviour of colleagues and superiors at work.

Ha ha ha ha

Oh you've really ruffled some feathers OP.
It's delicious

I'll be doing this from this point onwards. I feel its only right 😇

I'd say robust mockery of what is utter nonsense is a requirement these days, if this culture is to regain an iota of sanity.