I am embracing virtue signalling pronouns in emails

I just think of subcontractors up under the NHbC scheme when I see CIS.

I've never heard of a transwomen who objects to being called a transwomen, although I'll bet they're out there. There are some tras who get incensed about the " " or lack between 'trans' and 'woman'. I think it's because with, trans modifies the word, like tall or short, but still a woman. Without they're not women, they're transwomen.

Anyway, I don't like 'cis' for the usual reasons and because I always initially think it's something to do with home insurance.

Cishet, is nearly as bad. I kinda like the Egyptian mythology vibe, which ties neatly with the whole semi-religious or outright cultist flavour of the gender doctrine.

Apologies I need to rephrase that! "I generally avoid using the word "women" in discussions about gender" is clearly bollocks, I do it all the time.

What I meant to say is "I generally avoid using the word "women" to refer to a group of people in discussions about gender (unless I'm explicitly talking about the impact of changing the membership of that group on the people it originally referred to)"

Obviously I disagree with you on that

On what basis?

but don’t we all basically think we’re the ones whose views reflect reality?

Yes, people who think the earth was created 4000 years ago do too. What's your point? Can you define "woman" and explain how a male can be one?

Even have I ever referred to a male who wishes to present as a woman as a man? I have not. That would be rude. By saying they are male, well, that’s just biological fact. If thy weren’t male they would not be wishing to present as a woman, they would be a woman. Woman is the word for adult human female, so no, they probably don’t believe their gender is woman. As it’s not a gender. I

Sorry, I don't understand. What's the problem with referring to trans women? I say trans women when I mean ... trans women. I don't need to accept the whole TRA kit and kaboodle of cis-people and innate gender and what have you to know trans women exist. I generally avoid using the word "women" in discussions about gender exactly because of the lack of clear agreement on whether that group includes trans women or not.

So you think women are women on the same chemical side as women?

Just say women. Those that are CIS if that's what they think will know who you mean.

Obviously I disagree with you on that, but don’t we all basically think we’re the ones whose views reflect reality?

So when you refer to a trans woman as a man, or male, are you implying they don’t believe their gender is that of a woman?

The other alternative is that people don't believe in "gender" and only think sex is reasonable. Which biological sex are MTF trans people?

Well, I believe they are cis women (though out of politeness I would t say that to them generally), in the same way you believe that that trans women are really men.

One of these beliefs is much more grounded in reality than the other one. One is a quasi-religious belief.

So when you refer to a trans woman as a man, or male, are you implying they don’t believe their gender is that of a woman?

You do that. It’s your prerogative. It’s my prerogative to think you’re wrong and offensive. Awesome isn’t it

Because the word for a non trans woman is...sit down you aren't going to like this...woman.

That's it.

to reflect my belief that ‘cis woman’ just means ‘a woman who is not a trans woman’?

What is a "trans woman" and how are they both similar and different to "cis women"?

Well, I believe they are cis women (though out of politeness I would t say that to them generally), in the same way you believe that that trans women are really men.

By referring to women who are not trans as cis you are implying they believe in gender identity ideology. Many do not. You are forcing a gender identity onto people. Is that not misgendering? You can believe something all you like. It does not make it true. Some people believe the earth is felt, some people believe in gender identity. It takes all sorts

Oh we do. We know exactly who trans women refers to. We just don’t believe they are women

There seem to be some double standards here - it’s ok for you all to refer to ‘trans women’ because you don’t believe trans women are women, but it’s not ok for me to refer - generally - to non-trans women as cis, to reflect my belief that ‘cis woman’ just means ‘a woman who is not a trans woman’?

I find it hard to believe many posters on this forum don’t know who ‘trans woman’ refers to.

I’d say it’s likely the number of cis women who include their pronouns in their email signature is much larger

Well yes, because most "cis women" are fully on board with all of gender identity ideology. Most women are not "cis women" though, because they don't identify as such, are they?

Doesn’t ‘trans woman’ do the same job?

No.

crosspost with everyone.

No. That implies transwomen are a type of women. They are not. They are males who wish to present as women but usually fail.

It's too confusing. Many, if not most, of the general public still think a 'transwoman' is a woman.

I’ll stick with males who wish to present as women but usually fail then. It’s a faff but one must respect If people have objected to a term.

It confuses people as they think we are being mean to females who are trans. It is deliberately confusing.